Hamwe na anatoly tumenyereye imyaka irenga icumi. Kuri iki kiganiro, yahageze nimugoroba, nyuma yumunsi uhuze hamwe namateraniro menshi na firime ikomeye. Yarebye. Yavuze ko ashaka kuba mu rugo mu isaha n'igice, muganire n'abana. Nongeye kubazwa ku ngingo y'ikiganiro kandi ahita yongeraho ko yari amaze kuvuga kuri byose, nta kintu gishya ... ariko yashishikajwe n'ikibazo cye. Nabonye ko yashimishijwe namahirwe yo kurya muri we, gusesengura ibyiciro byubuzima bwe, kandi nicy'ingenzi, impinduka zabo. Twaganiriye amasaha arenga abiri. Iyi nguzanyo yabaye ihishurwa kuri twembi.
Tolya, kuri njye kuntu abantu batamenyereye utanga igitekerezo cyumuntu niba adahambiriye kuri buto zose, hanyuma ufunge cyane. Birasa kandi utekereza iki?
Anatoly White: "Yego, iyi ni ibyiyumvo byo kuvugisha ukuri. Ntabwo ndi umusore-umusore. Papa ni umuntu ufunze. Nanjye, kuva mu bwana ntirwagira isoni cyane kubantu. Byongeye kandi, ishuri, aho niga, - muri Togliatti, umusore, uri umugi ukaze, wasabye bimwe hafi kugira ngo batakubitaga ubugingo. "
Kandi byarafashije, cyangwa byagize uburambe bubi uko byagenda kose?
Anatoly: "Birumvikana ko byari mbere ya drak. Odnoklassniki yizeraga ko nishimye, yarashimye kandi yishyire hejuru yabo. Ariko sinari ishema, sinari nzi amagambo. Kandi ku rwego rw'inyamaswa, bumvaga ko ntashaka kuba inshuti nabo, nuko ndazamuka. Kuva ku ishuri, nari mfite inshuti imwe yonyine ya Kosta, hanyuma duterana mu mashuri yisumbuye, igihe batangiraga gutekereza cyane. Kandi mbere y'ibyo, ntibavuganaga, bombi bari bafite imyitozo ihoraho, gusa na Acrobat, kandi ni Sabist. "
Abakinnyi barashobora kubahwa, nubwo, bishoboka, Acrobatics - ntabwo ari siporo ...
Anatoly: "Yego, ibi ntabwo ari amakoma atari agaterambo, ahubwo ni abakinnyi bubahwa bari abarwanyi. Kandi ntabwo ndi umurwanyi kuri kamere muburyo bwumubiri bwijambo, hano mumyitwarire - yego. Numvise kandi ndasetsa, kandi bitemewe kubyerekeye ubwenegihugu bwawe. Ndacyibuka ikibazo cya NVP (amahugurwa ya mbere ya gisirikare), mwarimu yari anti-Semit. Nari nicaye kumeza yanyuma muri kiriya gihe. Ingingo y'isomo ni "amakimbirane ya Arab-Isiraheli". Yabaye ubwoko bumwe bw'ibanze, hanyuma ati: "Noneho hindukirira Abayahudi," kandi abanyeshuri bose barampindukiye. Uyu ni njye rwose impamvu yakuze. "
Intwari yacu hamwe na mama Margarita Mikhailovna. BRACLAV, 1978. Ifoto: Ububiko bwihariye bwa Anatoly White.
Murugo wabivuze?Anatoly:
"Oya, kuki ababyeyi bakomeretse?" Muri rusange ndagerageza kubabwira ibintu bibi kutahungabana, kuko mama ahangayikishijwe cyane nigihe icyo aricyo cyose, nyina wubuyahudi. Kandi papa yakoze byinshi, ananiwe, kubera iki? Amazu afite ababyeyi, nyirakuru, sogokuruza nari batandukanye rwose, clown. Abantu bose baransetse, nakundaga kwishima. Kandi hamwe na babyara, tugeze mu mudugudu, twishimiye kuvugana. Nibyo, kuri bo nari malavka, kandi ntibantwaye nanjye kuri moto yo gutwara cyangwa gufata amafi mu bwato bwa moteri, ariko bigishaga gutwara igare. " (Aseka.)Kandi muri siporo wagize inshuti?
Anatoly: "Oya, nanone hari ukuntu bitabaye. Kandi mu kigo cya mbere, indege, i Samara, byari bibi. Muri hostel twari abasore bane mu cyumba, kandi nize, abasigaye mu midugudu "Kosili" bo mu gisirikare. Batunganya ingonya buri munsi, bayoboye abo bakunda guhungabanya abakobwa. (Aseka.) Kandi ibintu byose birangira n'imbuto. Nubwo, muburyo, ibi ni ubuswa - kaminuza zidasanzwe. Mumaze gukura, natangiye kumva ko nafunze. "
Birashoboka, muri "Slice" naho kuwa gatatu byagufasha guhinduka?
Anatoly: "Nibyo. Twari dufite abasore bafite ubwenge kumasomo, bigamije kunywa no kugenda, ariko kwiga. Kandi ntiwumve, ndaruhutse. Moscou doscow, Moscok yasaga nkaho ya paradizo nyuma ya Samara. Ubwa mbere, twari bane, noneho babiri, kandi mumwaka ushize namaze kubana jyenyine mubyumba. Natanze, nshyira ibyapa ... ariko muri rusange, inzira yambere kuri njye yari umubabaro gusa. Nkumukinnyi, nari mfite ibihagije kubyo nari hafi, kandi byari ingingo ibabaje: umugabo wifuza, muri bore. Ibi bihe byimbitse bya psychologiya byari hafi yanjye, kuko bose bagiye mu rukundo bidakenewe. "
Biratangaje! Muri kigo?
Anatoly: "Byose byatangiriye ku ishuri. Nakunze umukobwa umwe mubusasu. Ariko nari mfite isoni cyane kandi sinshobora kwiyerekana. Umwaka mu 1986-1987 wari imbyino ndende cyane, kandi rimwe kuri disco natangiye gukuramo hasi hamwe nibi bice byose bya acrobatic. Bukeye nari intwari. "
Hafi! Kandi?
Anatoly: "na we. Ariko sinari nzi icyo gukora ubutaha. Niki ugomba kuvuga? Muri icyo cyose sinasobanukiwe no kubana nayo, kandi sinigeze mbona ku ishuri. "
Mu myaka yabanyeshuri, Anatoly igihe cyose yakunze nta shingiro. Ifoto: Ububiko bwihariye bwa Anatoly White.
No mu kigo cy'indege?Anatoly:
"Ngaho nagize urukundo rudakenewe. Mu mwaka wa kabiri, nakundanye cyane n'umukobwa kuva mu itsinda rikurikira (byari ubwiza). Nari nicaye ku igorofa, ntekereza nti: "Noneho nzatema."Nibyiza, kandi kugerageza kumutsinda?
Anatoly: "Basekeje cyane. Ku munani wa Werurwe nahagaze munsi y'umuryango we hamwe na Roza. Nabonye ubutwari ndakomanga, byose byakubiswe, amaboko yanjye yari atose. Sinzi uko narebye, ibintu byose byari binyeganyega. Nafunguwe n'umusore w'umuryango wiganye na we mu itsinda rimwe, ikibuga nk'iki, yitwa Misha. Mu nzira, nyuma twabaye inshuti, yaje kuba umunyabwenge, yakunze "icyuma", noneho yabaye imyambarire gusa. Noneho ati: "Tuvugishije ukuri:" Ijwi rikomeye! Ni njye? "Numvaga mfite ipfunwe rikomeye, ariko mbona ko yicaye mu cyumba, ati:" Oya, Natasha ". Idubu iramuhamagara, arasohoka. Yasobanukiwe neza, afata Rose, ansoma ku itama, kandi nibyo. Nyuma yibyo, nari mfite Jay yuzuye, nasinze, muri rusange, byose ni nkuko bikwiye. "
Muri "pinch" wigeze kwiyongera?
Anatoly: "Mu mwaka wa mbere nakundaga urukundo mu rukundo mu mukobwa mwiza w'umukobwa. No ku wa gatatu, nakundanye n'inzira ziteye ubwoba. Umukobwa ntabwo yari ubwiza, ariko namaze gutangira kubitaho. Yari afite amayeri menshi, afite igikundiro, yari azi igifaransa, igihe runaka yabaga mu Bufaransa, asetsa neza. Kandi yongeye kuba adasubiyeho. "
Kandi igisubizo cya mbere urukundo ni Marina Ubururu?
Anatoly: "Yego, hamwe na Marina."
Nyuma yo gushyingirwa na Marina ntabwo yagushinja ruswa mu bihe byawe?
Anatoly: "Birumvikana ko byari. Nabyumvise nanjye ubwanjye. Ariko njye ubwanjye nari nzi ko atari ukuri, kandi nabuze. Nibyiza, babwira abantu bashushanyije indimi, banyurwa nibi, reka. Mubisanzwe, ntibyashimishije. Ariko ko iyi yasutswe ubwoko bumwe bwa bile - oya. "
Waba ufite ubwoba bwo kwimura ubuzima bwigenga nyuma yikigo?
Anatoly: "Ahari, kuruhande bizaba bisa nkaho bidasambaga, ariko nta bwoba. Habayeho kwishima, nashakaga ibigeragezo. Mu kigo cy'indege, nashimishijwe n'urutare: "Igipfukisho cya Nautilus", DDT, "Imashini yigihe", Tsoi, Grebenchikov. Ibyo byose byarohamye mu bugingo kandi bituma mbega mu myifatire yanjye. Nifuzaga kuba intare, nashakaga kuba ku antisha zimwe n'intwari ku isi. Na none, ibigirwamana ni nde? Tsoi - Kocher, Grebenshicchikov - UmujyiSor, Shevchuk yakuwe muri cafe na resitora muri UFA. Nashakaga kandi uru rutare no kuzunguruka urukundo: gukora nka manitor, ntibisobanutse aho uba no kurema. Kandi, by the way, nakoraga nka maan mugihe nigaga mu mwaka wa gatatu w'ikigo. Umwaka ushize wakoraga ku kibuga cy'indege kuri Leningradka! Kuri njye byari amavuta gusa. (Aseka.) Kandi mubitekerezo hari ishusho yibisigo: aguti yibigo cyangwa munsi yo munsi, muri rusange, ubuzima buteye isoni. Nta forlilles, ikintu cyingenzi ni iby'umwuka. Ariko ibyo byari biteye ubwoba. "
Ati: "Mu mwaka wa kabiri, nakundanye cyane n'umukobwa mu itsinda rituranye. Nari nicaye ku igorofa, ntekereza nti: "Noneho nzatema." Ifoto: Ububiko bwihariye bwa Anatoly White.
Kwibeshya Niki?Anatoly:
"Kuba nzahagarara igihe kirekire. Mu mizo ya mbere, nirukanye "urukundo", hanyuma atangira kumva ko umwuga wanjye urimo kumenyekanisha, kumenyekana, gutsinda. Kandi ko ntabwo ndi kwigomeka, ntabwo ari umuratsi, nishimiye kandi mu bwenge, ntabwo ari mu nsi. Tuvugishije ukuri, sinigeze nshishikaye ku nyungu nini. Bamwe mwijuru bamwe baje mubuzima bwanjye, ariko ntibari umwanya wambere. Muri icyo gihe, nararira, rwose ruzamura ibi. "Wabikoze, harimo kubera ko nta muntu n'umwe, hafi washakaga kubaho mu buryo bw'umubiri ...
Anatoly: "Nibyo, nanjye ubwanjye nashakaga kuba mwiza no kuri bo, nanjye. Ariko nanone umunezero nyamukuru mubucuti bwanjye nubuzima bwanjye - kunda uyu mujyi numwuga, utoroshye, uryoshye, cyangwa nzatsinda. Ikigaragara ni uko byavuye muri siporo. Ndetse igihe kirekire gishize, ubwo nakoze intambwe yambere muri theatre, ingingo yasohotse, birasa, "glatiator irwana". Ninjye nagize kwivugira. "
Ntabwo nariye kimwe, nubwo ibintu byose bitari byoroshye kuri wewe ...
Anatoly: "Yego ... Nasobanukiwe ko urungano rwanjye rwari rumaze gufata amashusho muri cinema, rwinjira mu makinamico meza, ndacyafite. Ariko yabyaye ntabwo yihebye, ariko mu buryo bwiza, umujinya wa siporo. Umushinga wa mbere w'ibitabo hamwe n'uruhare runini rwabereye mu myaka makumyabiri n'icyenda, aya yari "Polandy amashusho" Cyril Serebrennikov na "Oboroff" Mikhail Ugarova. Bahagurutse icyarimwe. Nyuma ya "clanonoff" twahawe premium "Mk", "umusumari w'igihe". Kandi kuri "Polaroid" nabonye "inagomu". Kandi byarahindutse. Indi myumvire yagaragaye, numvise nizeye gutsinda. Iyi niyo mpamvu umukinnyi yunamye. "
Kuri njye mbona biranga hamwe no kwitegura kwemera, kandi mu buryo butunguranye ... "amashusho ya polaroid" hamwe ninsanganyamatsiko yimibonano mpuzabitsina idakonga. Noneho byari bitinyutse cyane.
Anatoly: "Ndisahuye nanjye n'intwari. Uru ruhare ntabwo rwagize amahame mbwirizamuco. Byongeye kandi, mu myitozo ya mbere, Kirill yagize ati: "Tuzakora imikorere yerekeye kudacogora ku isi, bidashoboka, bidashoboka gushyikirana." Kandi nahise nshidikanya. Nubwo nabonye abo bigana kuri njye babayemo ko hari ukuntu bitangaje kuvuga. (Aseka.) Hanyuma, umuntu yabajije ati: "Tolya, waramuze?" - Yego, Petruckuki, byose ni byiza. " (Aseka.) Ariko nyuma yiyi ngingo, ituze rirambye, ntabwo nagize firime. Naburanishijwe, ariko sinabivuze ahantu hose. Nahunze kubera ko nta kintu kibaho. "
Ariko mugihe cyo kwiheba, ntabwo wagendeye ahantu hose ...
Anatoly: "Ndashimira Marina. Ni iki kugira ngo tuganire? Sinigeze mpfa kubera ibi. Kandi buri gihe arashimira, kandi akomeze, uko byagenda kose. Gusa Marina yankijije. "
Hamwe na muscovic anato yishimye mubukwe imyaka icyenda. Ifoto: Ububiko bwihariye bwa Anatoly White.
Bati, baravuze ubwibone bwabo, bavuga ko umugore arafasha, ndetse nubukungu?Anatoly:
"Birumvikana ko byari bimeze. Ariko buri gihe nagerageje gukora no kuzana byibuze ikintu munzu. Kandi atari umwuga wabo gusa, muburyo butandukanye. "Muri icyo gihe, ntabwo wanyuze muri sitidiyo ya filigi, ntabwo yatanzwe, nubwo, ahari ibi ntabwo ari agasuzuguro ...
Anatoly: "Ntabwo rwose nashoboraga. Urashobora buri gihe kujya kuri koridoro ya Mosfilm namafoto yabo, ntamuntu wabujije ibi. Ariko ubwibone bumwe bwicaye muri njye, kandi sinshobora kwambuka. Ariko buhoro buhoro urubanza rwahindutse mu ngingo yapfuye. Uruhare rwa mbere kuri tereviziyo rwari mu rutonde rwa TV "kugwiza umubabaro" mu 2003. Nyuma yibyo, batangiye gutanga abacuruzi mubwinshi, kubintu nemera, kuko byari bimeze, birashimishije. Ariko rwose mu manota yo hasi yagerageje kutabigiramo uruhare. Kubera iyo mpamvu, hari ikiruhuko kirekire ... na Cyriaps "ya Polaroid" yatumiriwe kubyara "iterabwoba" muri MHT, maze aravuga ati: "Ndashaka kujyana na Thagana." Naremewe mugihe cyigeragezwa. Ikintu kimwe mubikorwa bya Avant-Garde gukina, ikindi muri theatre ya kera. Nasobanukiwe ko byari ngombwa gufata iyi kabari. Nabaye umukinnyi mht. "Lir" hamwe na Suzuki, "duel" ... ariko na none nari ntegereje kimwe no muri firime. "
Vuba aha urukurikirane "Orlova na Alexandrov", wabaye ibintu bigaragaye, byanze bikunze byemewe. Wigeze wumva aka kazi?
Anatoly: "Igihe nabonaga urugero" Orlova ", nasanze ko ari uruhare runini, kandi cyasuzume ko ari ibicucu. Namaze kumwegera imizigo ya cinema yumva ko mfite imbaraga n'icyifuzo cyo gukora byose kugirango bitatewe isoni na we. Kuri njye, film ntabwo yagenze neza niba tuvuga muri rusange. Ariko igihe kirekire ndabona ibintu byose nkamasomo. Ntishobora kurambirwa no gutsindwa. Ntabwo mbona kubera ko ntifuzaga ko nifuza gufata umwanzuro kuri uyu muyobozi, kandi ntarantumira. Ibyifuzo n'ibyishimo ntibyarashize, mbere yuko bumva bikabije. Ikigaragara ni uko atari urubanza rwanjye - kanguka icyamamare. Kandi muri rusange, muri mirongo ine na kabiri bakangutse bitinze, birakenewe kugirango areremba icyamamare. (Aseka.) Birumvikana ko ndasetsa, ariko ariko inkuru yanjye ni intambwe zimaze imyaka, ingendo. "
Hafi yimyaka umunani ishize, wabanje kuba papa. Yabihinduye?
Anatoly: "Yego, ibyiyumvo bishya byaje kuri njye, icumbi ritazwi, urukundo rwuzuye. Urumva ko ibyo aribyo bice byawe bigukunda, kuko uri. Kandi urumva rwose. "
Wabaye kubyara?
Anatoly: "Bombi bavukiye nanjye. Nakomeje ukuboko kwanjye, ariko nyamara, kumva biteye ubwoba ntabwo byaje. Mfite inzira ndende mu myumvire. " (Aseka.)
Uragerageza gusubiramo uburambe bwababyeyi mukurera abana cyangwa ubundi?
Anatoly: "Ntabwo ndi Guru muribi. Ababyeyi banjye ni beza! Ariko ni abantu b'Abasoviyeti kandi barandaza bakurikije ingero z'icyo gihe. Noneho nta kwitabwaho byishyuwe ku kumenya imico ye, umudendezo w'imbere. Ndetse ibintu bimwe na bimwe byari bikiri inyigisho zumuririrwa. Ndabyirinda. Itegeko gusa, nka muganga: ntubangaze. Ndatanga ibendera ry'umushinga, tutayifite ntibishoboka, ariko ntizigera nigeze mvuga ko ugomba kubikora, ariko nta na kimwe. "
Kandi utubiho kubikorwa bimwe?
Anatoly: "Ugomba gutukwa. Muri rusange, nahawe inshingano yo guhagurukira. (Aseka.) Rimwe na rimwe ndahagarara, kuko gitunguranye ntangiye gukora umufasha. Kandi ababaza icyo ni umuntu wa XXI. Afata Max mu cyumba gikurikira, agira ati: "Tera amarangamutima yacu kandi ugaruke kumeza." Ngomba kwiga imbaraga zijambo, logique, ubushobozi bwo kugera kurwego rwumwana, kandi ntituba hejuru. No muri ako kanya mugihe ibintu byose biteka imbere. Kandi ndumva ko iri ari irindi shuri kuri njye. Max azaba afite imyaka umunani. Ejo ngiye ku modoka, ndamubona mu gikari, tuvugana "Mwaramutse", kandi mu buryo butunguranye arandeba hamwe n'umuntu mukuru asaba ikintu gituje rwose: "Papa, mumeze mute? "Kandi numva ko uyu muntu ari umuntu ku giti cye, kandi nta burenganzira ufite kuri we."
Abashakanye bafite abana babiri - Victoria na Maxim. Ifoto: Ububiko bwihariye bwa Anatoly White.
Kandi ishimwe?Anatoly:
"Menya neza! Ntekereza ko ukeneye no guhimbaza, kandi ugaragaze urukundo hamwe nabana, cyane cyane hamwe numuhungu. Mama yareze cyane kandi kuva mu bwana nigishijwe ko ngomba gukora byose. Numwarimu w'Ubudage - muri rusange kubatunganye. Kugira ngo nsingize guhimbaza, ikintu kivuye kumurongo kigomba kubaho ... Kumyaka yose yishuri, byarabaye inshuro eshanu. Ubwa mbere nkuko umukinnyi Mama yanshimye igihe nari maze kurangiza ikigo kandi nkinira "intimba" ya Menshikov. Yavuze ati: "Sipulasi nziza, ntabwo ari acrobatics z'ubusa." Noneho sinikunze kumva ishimwe. Kubwamahirwe, ntiyabonye byose kuko ababyeyi baba muri Isiraheli. Ubushize natabyenye na Alexandrov na gahunda yanjye yubusigo "umva" kumuyoboro wa culp.Niki kindi kitari urukundo ari ubumwe nundi?
Anatoly: "Ku rukundo, urukundo n'urukundo, sinshobora gutora irindi jambo. Kandi ikintu cyingenzi cyane nukubaha umuntu, umuntu, nubwo arijambo ryakubiswe. Twagize imyaka icyenda hamwe. Sinumva iyo abantu bavuga: "Ni ikiganza cyanjye, ukuguru." Birashoboka ko ntarahira kuriyi. Ariko kuri njye mbona muri iyi myumvire y "amaboko n'amaguru" hari ikintu kimenyereye, ibyo ntabwo nkunda. Dufite ibyiyumvo nk'ijoro: Twumva abantu kavukire, ariko twishimiye kuba ubumwe bwimico kugiti cye gifitanye isano nambaraga. "
Kandi ni iki cyazanywe mu buzima bwawe bwa Ina, ni iki ku buntu cyangwa cyigishijwe utabishaka?
Anatoly: "Byinshi, ariko iyi ni inzira ya mutuelle, kandi ntabwo yigishije byumwihariko. Uburyo abaho, atekereza, akumva, kuri njye urugero rwubwenge bwumugore, ubwuzu. Yanyigishije, wenda kwihanganira no kwihangana. Sinzi uburyo bwo gusobanura mumagambo, inna bivuga ubuzima nko gutembera, ariko ntibimurimo bakurikije, ariko bize mugihe atangaze. Kandi bafite "ikiza" nanjye. Kandi nashizeho indege yishimye mubuzima bwe. Araseka, kandi birakomeye kandi birashimishije. "
Ufite amakimbirane? Biragoye gutongana?
Anatoly: "Urashobora. Ariko kubera iki? Nibyo, ni umuntu udafite amakimbirane rwose. Ariko, birumvikana ko atari byose ari idyll. Rimwe na rimwe humura ikintu runaka, muri rusange yikubita, kuko Taurus. Ariko simfite icyifuzo cyo gutongana, shakisha umubano, kuko ntabwo ari igitero, kurakara. Ariko ni umuntu utitayeho, ibintu bimwe ntibifata byimazeyo: ibiyobyabwenge muburyo ubwo aribwo bwose, ubusinzi. Iyo nanyweye, arababara. (Umwenyura.) Ariko muri rusange, biranyonyo cyane no kwangwa. "
Kandi kubuzwa kimwe kuri Katya, umukobwa wa inessa wo mubukwe bwa mbere, wagabanijwe? Ni umwangavu, wenda arashaka gukora tatouas, ashushanya umusatsi mubururu, punch tunnel mumatwi?
Anatoly: "Ndashimira Imana, nta cyifuzo mfite. Niba agaragara bimwe mubyabo, atari umwanzuro rwose, ikiganiro kibafata. Noneho ikibazo gikomeye niho akura ibirenge. Mugihe ashaka gutemba mu ishami rikora. "
Numuto, nkuko ubitekereza, hamwe nibibikwa?
Anatoly: "Yego, ni. Na Max, na Vika bombi amarangamutima. "
Inu, umunyabwenge rero, kandi icyarimwe irasa numukobwa ...
Anatoly: "Ni roho nto. Ntiyabaye nyirasenge, umuntu ukuze usuzugura byinshi. Kandi ni kamere y'urukundo, ibisigo. Inina, umuhanzi kandi yishimira akazi ke, kuva gushushanya neza, kuva kumutwe wamabara n'imiterere. Ndabibona, kandi ndabikunda rwose. Yaje ku madabuyo ye ntabwo ako kanya. Ni umutware wa siporo muri Gymnastics gymnastique kandi yari umutoza. Dufite byinshi nkibyabaye. Umuganga wa psychologue yamugiriye inama yo kwibuka inzozi z'abana be. Kandi yibuka ko yakundaga gushushanya murugo, yagiye gushushanya kwishuri. Afite Biro yacyo "inzu nshya".
Niki umuntu uhanga, ariko ntabwo ari umukinnyi wa filime, ntacyo itwaye cyangwa neza?
Anatoly: "Iyi ntabwo ariho kandi ntabwo arus. Byose biterwa numuntu, kandi inina nubwumvikane neza. Kuri njye, iki ni cyo kintu cy'ingenzi. "
Marina Zeltser