Kuroroshye, abagore benshi, hamwe numukobwa - Kugaragara Catherine, Vilkova ntazambwira ko ari mama w'abana babiri. Umukinnyi wa filime yemera ko avuye mu rugo, ubuzima bwe bwigabanyijemo "kuri" na "nyuma". "Kubaho nta murimo, ndabishoboye, nta mugabo n'abana - oya" - ibyo bashyira imbere. By the way, umugabo wanjye Ilya Lyibimova, arakunda, nubwo nta kuntu mu mibanire yabo aryoshye VanIlla, inkuru zitetse zivuga ku bashakanye bishimye.
- Katya, uranyuzwe n'ubuzima bwawe? Washoboye kubona uburinganire hagati yumuryango no gukora?
- Muri rusange, ibintu byose ni byiza. Ariko kubwimpamvu runaka sinshobora guhora mbaho mukiruhuko, kumwenyura no kwishima. Bimaze kunsanga ibintu bimwe na bimwe byaretse kumpangayikishije, mpita mpa gusobanukirwa ko nibeshya. Birasa nkaho bituje kubyerekeye isura ye, ibibazo byo gusaza, kugabanya ibiro nibindi - hanyuma uhita ubona mubihe aho urugamba ruhatanira hagati yabagore rugenda. Kandi utabishaka. Yahise atangira kuvugana nawe ubwawe: Rero, ndi umusore wa Surdsex-umugore, muto, muto. (Aseka.) Mu mushinga umwe, yabaye ku mpano ye no kuba nkomeje kuba umukinnyi wubwenge cyane, kandi ukina uyu mukino; Maze yinjira muyindi mishinga - ibindi bigo byinjijwe. Gusa gutuza kubyerekeye kuboneka kwakazi - mukwezi gumaze guhangayikishwa nuko ntabyifuzo bikwiye. Natekereje cyane ko nari umubyeyi mwiza, bidatinze natangiye kwerekana ko atari igihe kinini cyo guha abana no mumuryango. Birashoboka uburambe - ntabwo ari bibi cyane, ikintu cyingenzi ntabwo ari ukugera ku ivuriro ryindwara zo mu mutwe.
- Ariko udafite imyifatire ya fanatical kumurimo? Bamwe muri bagenzi bawe batekereza ko ari inyuguti nkuru, vuga kubyerekeye ubutumwa mubuhanzi ...
- Oya, ntabwo nigeze mbona akazi kanjye. Nubwo nagerageje kwishyiriraho uyu muhengeri ko ndi umunyakuri, mukuru, nzasoma ibitabo byubwenge, ngenda mungo ndangamurage, ariko ndatandukanye kandi sinzitwa ikintu nkora mu mwuga, cyane cyane Muguhenze kuri njye. Ntabwo. Ku bwanjye, ni amafaranga yinjiza, uburyo bwo kwishyiriraho no kwitondera. Ndatuye, namaze kumenyera ko ku kunturwa na njye bisuzumwe, birasabwa, bibane kuri njye.
- Urashobora guhamagara vertices, amasaro mu mwuga wawe?
- Birashoboka, ntabwo npima akazi kacu hamwe nibyiciro nkibi. Hari igihe nabwiraga ubwoko runaka ndetse n'ibyishimo byose bimenyerewe: "Katya, mbega ukuntu ufite amahirwe, ni inzozi!" Hanyuma, umushinga ufunze, cyangwa kubwimpamvu runaka sinshobora kubigiramo uruhare. Ariko no muriki kibazo nagerageje kuvura ibibaho utuje. Gusa ndagerageza gukora akazi kanjye neza. Ntacyo bitwaye ko iyi ari ishusho yuburebure bwuzuye muri kanseri cyangwa urukurikirane rwa tereviziyo yoroheje, nka "Hotel Eleon". Nubunararibonye bwanjye bwambere bwo kwitabira Sikokom - Nizere ko azatsinda.
Imyambarire, icyegeranyo cyo mwijuru demi couture, Diana Garyan; uturindantoki, ma ya; Ikintu cyo gushushanya kumutwe, amahugurwa yumucapo nindabyo "indabyo muri atike"
Ifoto: Alina Inuma; Umufasha wo gufotora: Ksenia Andrinova
- "Hotel Eoron" ni ugukomeza "igikoni" cyose. Ntutinya inkuru zikinira ndende?
- Hano harigihe kiri hagati yimiro. Byongeye, ibi ntabwo ari akazi ka buri munsi. Kandi inyandiko zizashobora kuzirikana gahunda zawe nibagaragara. Nyuma yo gufata amashusho mugihe cyambere, ibitekerezo byiza byagumyeho. Ndetse namenyereye kujya kurubuga nkakazi. Ibi bifite ibyiza byayo. Hariho ihungabana, urumva icyo kipe urimo. Birashoboka, mugihe runaka birashobora kurambirwa, ariko ntarambirwa.
- Nigute wageze muri "Hotel Eonon"?
- Casting yarafashwe, njyayo gutakaza izuru ry'undi mukinnyi wa mukinnyi, na we wagerageje umushinga. Nibyiza, ndatekereza ko ngiye kuri wewe! (Aseka.)
- Ufite amarushanwa maremare?
- Oya, ntabwo ari amarushanwa. Ninkabana - bafite akanya gato k'umukino, amarushanwa: kandi nagerageje bwa mbere, kandi naje kwiruka! Ibyishimo bimwe. Nagerageje uruhare rwa Sofiya, umuyobozi wa hoteri, numuyobozi nanyemeje ko ngomba. Muri rusange, ikintu cya mbere cyanshutse muri uyu mushinga nukwitabira inshuti zanjye. (Aramwenyura.) Natekereje ko dufite umwanya wo gushyikirana. Ariko, gukubita kurasa, nasanze gahunda ari umusambanyi cyane.
- Umuyobozi wa hoteri ni imbaraga, umusore ukiri muto. Ni hafi yawe?
- Ntabwo nigera nkoresha intwari zanjye. Numugore gusa ukora ibikorwa bimwe na bimwe byateganijwe na Scenarios, kandi uragerageza kumva icyabimura. Hanyuma, ibintu byose birahinduka. Ntabwo uzi uko sofia imeze neza nubucuruzi - ishobora kwigira? Kandi murukurikirane rukurikira uzasobanukirwa ko byoroshye, byakomeretse kandi byurukundo ...
Ikoti, pico; Ipantaro, caractere; Inkweto, Jimmy choo
Ifoto: Alina Inuma; Umufasha wo gufotora: Ksenia Andrinova
- Woba uri umuntu ukomeye mubuzima?
- Ntabwo navuga. Byose biterwa nikibazo, kurwego rwumunaniro. Rimwe na rimwe - yego: Nshobora guhagarika, guca iyo ntasinziriye cyangwa nshonje. Ariko mbere yabantu batamenyereye, baracyagerageza kwigaragaza nkumurwayi, utuje, birashimishije muri byose. Gufunga, nshuti, urugo rugenda rwinshi.
- Waba uriye ku bana?
- rimwe na rimwe birasa nkaho ndi woroshye cyane. Ukurikije akazi kawe, mara umwanya munini nabo. Kubwibyo, ndabuze rwose kandi, kubwibyo, Balua. Ariko hariho umunsi cyangwa bibiri mu itumanaho ryinshi, kandi basanzwe batangiye kumbona.
- Paul na Petya birasa?
- Ku ruhande rumwe, yego, no ku rundi, aba ni abantu babiri batandukanye, buri wese muburyo bwayo bwigaragaza. Babona isi muburyo butandukanye, bararakara ukundi, barabyuka bitandukanye, nkuko basinziriye. Ibintu bimwe mubitekerezo byabo bimaze gutera imbere, kandi ndashobora kubigenzura, kandi ndabigenzura, no kubabwira uko mubuzima bibaho.
- Ufite sisitemu yo kuzamura?
- Oya, ndimo koga. Birashoboka ko ndi umuntu wumunebwe? Ndareba abakobwa bakundana nabana: "Watangiye iki kugirango utange uburiganya? Kandi, iki, tangira? .. "cyangwa umuntu yahaye abana ishuri ryincuke. Ndavuga nti: "Ilya, birashoboka ko natwe tujya gutanga." Gusa birashobora kuba umunebwe guhindura ikintu. Kubera iki, niba ari byiza? (Aseka.) Niba abana bagaragaje inyungu, gerageza kubatera inkunga. Ku rundi ruhande, ntibashobora gushimisha ikintu cyose batabereka. Ntibazi ko hariho, kurugero, koga, cyangwa ubuhanzi bugaragara, cyangwa kubyina ...
- Ikintu kimaze kugaragara, inyungu zimwe?
- Ntabwo. Bakunda ibikinisho, bombo, kumena, kwiruka. Kandi birafuzwa ko abantu bakuru nabo bagize uruhare muriyi nkuru. Barakina kandi barayirengagiza.
- Ese kubyara kubyara?
- Ubuzima bwanjye bwigabanyijemo "kuri" na "nyuma yaho" umuryango. Ariko ndabona ko bigoye kwiyita Mama. Mubiganiro byanjye, uyu numugore ukuze ufite ibisige byose byangirika, bikaba azi ubwoko bwa bo nuburyo bwo kwishyura inzu ...
Imyambarire, Yakubowitch; Ijipo, yanina couture; Umukandara, Da'mu.
Ifoto: Alina Inuma; Umufasha wo gufotora: Ksenia Andrinova
- Kandi ntubizi?
- ntabwo. Umugabo akora muri ibyo byose. Mfite ubwoba ku mpapuro, Inzego za Leta. Ibi byose birashobora kandi umenye abantu bakuru. Mbere y'abana, nkina umukino nkuyu ko ndi umuntu mukuru, ukomeye, ariko mubyukuri, muri douche, ntabwo ntekereza ko.
- Ilya mubantu benshi bakuze?
- Nibyo, we na mukuru mumyaka, hafi ya santik. (Umwenyura.) Afite ijwi ryo hasi, kandi rimwe na rimwe atangaza umuntu ukomeye cyane. Nta gushidikanya akumva icyo ashaka, kandi yitwaza ko azi byose.
- Haba hari amarushanwa yabigize umwuga muri couple yawe?
- Oya, mfite umugabo mwiza cyane! Nibyo, ntabwo nigeze ntekereza ibyiciro nkibi. Ku ruhande rwanjye, guhangana usibye hamwe n'inshuti zanjye - abo bakorana. Njye, kubinyuranye, birababaje kubantu niba hari ikintu kidakora. Ishyari riri kubahanzi bato gusa, beza gusa: nta mpano zidasanzwe, ariko bakuraho inshingano zanjye. (Aseka.)
- Imirimo iguma inyuma yurugero cyangwa murugo wowe na Ilya dusangiye ibibazo, uburambe?
"Umugabo niwe muntu wenyine nshobora kuvuga kuri byose, mbwira icyo uhangayikishije. Ndetse umukine attodes yukuntu umunsi wanjye wapfuye. Kwitotombera abakiri bato na neutolate. (Aseka.) Birumvikana ko ndi umuhererezi muto, mwiza kandi ufite impano kandi ugomba gutumirwa mu mishinga yose ikomeye. Ntabwo rwose nagumye kukazi. Birumvikana ko nkunda kuba umukinnyi wa filime, ariko ndabyumva ko aribwo buryo bwo kubaho nta mwuga wanjye, cyane cyane niba mfite amafaranga menshi.
- Kandi utabishoboye?
- Nta muryango, sinshobora abana. Ariko bazakura, kandi bagomba kubareka. Noneho, umugabo ugumetse. Kandi simbishobora kwiyumvisha uko twabaho tutayifite. Ntabwo nifuza no kubitekerezaho.
- Kuba wowe na ILyaya kugufasha mubihe bigoye?
- neza. Kuberako kukibazo runaka urashobora kubona gusa ukurikije amategeko yubuzima bwisi, ariko no mu ruhande rw'umuco, ijwi ry'umutimanama.
Imyambarire, Yakubowitch; Ijipo, yanina couture; Umukandara, Da'mu.
Ifoto: Alina Inuma; Umufasha wo gufotora: Ksenia Andrinova
- Mu migenzo ya orotodogisi, umugabo ni umutware wumuryango. Watworoshe, hamwe no kubogama kw'abagore?
- Nkunze kwizera ko umutware wumuryango agomba kuba umugabo. Kandi ndatekereza ko buri mugore ashaka umugabo we, ashobora kumva afite intege nke. Byongeye kandi, nta gatsiko dufite. Ntabwo tujya ku byegeranyo ya Fanatics ya orotodogisi bizana ibibazo byumuryango byo kuganira kandi byamaganye imyitwarire mibi. Mu kwizera kwacu - nk'intangiriro, itara, aho twibanda kubitekerezo byacu nibikorwa byacu.
- Wowe ubwawe waje kuriyi nama cyangwa wayoboye Ilya?
- Birashoboka, Ilya yabaye ikimenyetso cyo gutangaza. Kwizera kwaje mubuzima bwanjye, ndicara aho ngaho hamwe na we. (Kumwenyura.) Niba wicaye ukagishushanya, urashobora kwibuka ibimenyetso bimwe, ibisabwa ... dukunda guhimba nyuma yukuri. Ba uko bishoboka, ubu ni nk'uburegwa, impano twabonye.
- Ni ibihe byiyumvo wizihije isabukuru - imyaka itanu yo kubana?
- Tuvugishije ukuri, twibagiwe akantu gato. Uyu mwaka, iyi tariki yaguye kuri Pasika, hari ibindi bibazo bimwe. Amarangamutima ari: Cool, imyaka itanu irashize! Ariko birasa - vuba aha ... noneho umaze igihe, urumva igihe kinini cyabaye: abana babiri, inzu, imodoka, umubare wimpumuro - ntabwo numva mfite irungu - ntabwo ni uguhitamo neza.
- Noneho ingo nyinshi ziratandukanye. Uratekereza ko urufunguzo rwo gutsinda nicyitwa cyambere cyabantu babiri cyangwa umubano - ni akazi?
- Birumvikana ko uyu ari akazi, ariko bibaho bidashoboka kuri njye. Kurugero, urabona sandwich muri firigo. Rimwe na rimwe urye ubwanjye. Kandi rero, uratekereza: "Oh, na Ilya ntacyo kurya. Nibyiza, sawa, uzabona ikintu. " Ikindi gihe wibuka Ilya hanyuma usige saniyeli. Cyangwa gusangira kimwe cya kabiri. Njye mbona, kandi biragaragara ko, kubana numuntu, ugomba kubara hamwe na we. N'ubundi kandi, ntabwo bigoye cyane: guhamagara, kuburira ko utinda, uze murugo kurara, baza kuri gahunda y'ejo kandi rimwe na rimwe bakora ikintu hamwe.
- Urashobora kuvuga ko abantu bose bazi?
- Oya sinshobora. Kurugero, namenye Ejo ko umugabo wanjye aranabyima murugo wenyine. Noneho ngira ngerageza kwiyumvisha iyi shusho - uko yimuka muri terefone.
- Wabimenye ute?
- We ubwe yavuze. Nabajije nti: "Ilya, umunsi wawe wari umeze ute, wakoze iki uyu munsi?" Arabasubiza ati: "Imbyino". Byari ubuswa. Ndetse narwaye ikigeragezo cyo gushyira kamera zihishe murugo.
- Hariho ibintu arakuziho?
- Kuri njye mbona ko azi ndetse cyane. Mama, ndetse na padiri avuga ko abantu bose batagomba kubwira umugabo we. Ariko simfite amabanga. Niba hari ikibazo cyandakandamiza cyane, ndacyasangiye nawe. Kandi sinshobora kosenya igihe kirekire. Nkeneye kuganira kuri byose, mpimeka gusinzira utuje.
- Urasoma ikiganiro?
- Yasomye ikiganiro cyanjye. Nibyiza cyane, mboherereje inyandiko kugirango nemererwe, kandi ndagira inama niba ugomba guhindura ikintu cyangwa kugenda uko biri. Birashoboka, afite icyizere cyane mubintu bimwe na bimwe binsundukira. Kandi ndi umunebwe cyane gusoma ikiganiro cye. Noneho ndashobora guhura ninyandiko mu kinyamakuru Kera. Ubwa mbere, birumvikana ko byarashimishije cyane. Noneho - Byoroheje: Nyuma ya byose, imyaka itanu hamwe.
Imyambarire, winc; Ikoti, Marina de Golle; Choker, Da'mu; Imitako y'indabyo, amahugurwa yo gutema hamwe n'indabyo "indabyo"
Ifoto: Alina Inuma; Umufasha wo gufotora: Ksenia Andrinova
- Ukoresheje inzira, muri kamwe mubiganiro wabwiye Ilya ntabwo watanze indabyo kumunsi wamavuko. Ni ubuhe buryo? Yaje afite indabyo bukeye?
- ntabwo. Mubyukuri, nabwiye icyo ndi umugore mwiza, sinshobora no gutanga impano, kandi simbyitayeho.
- Ariko iyi ni ububabare ...
- Ubwa mbere birasa kandi mubisanzwe bibona. Hanyuma agatangira gucira amacandwe impande zose. Abakobwa bakobwa bavuga ikintu runaka, shyira amafoto ya bouqueti muri Instagram, ibyo batanzwe muri umunani Werurwe. Birashoboka ko batabahaye ikintu icyo ari cyo cyose, ariko hariho ishusho! Kandi iratera gusobanura umubano. Inshuro ebyiri natoranije hysterics hamwe namarira yumugore. Ariko muri ako kanya, iyo ndarira, ndumva ukuntu bisa. Kandi mubyukuri, kuri njye nta shitu, nzamuta kuri iyi nda.
- Kandi ni ko yarahiye, na we ati: "Baba-umuswa, kuri wewe indabyo"?
- Yego, muburyo, arabikora: Baba-umuswa, urabifurije mwese! (Aseka.)
- Ntabwo uri couple yurukundo hamwe na Ilya?
- Ahari yego. Ntabwo tugendera mu bwato, ntabwo wasize ishyamba kuri Safari. Turimo gushyira mu gaciro, cyangwa ikindi kintu. Nubwo, byumvikane bikenewe. N'ubundi kandi, ibi ni kwitabwaho, umuntu yatekereje kuri wewe kandi aratungura. Ariko ntabwo mpangayi kuriyi ngingo. Birashoboka, mugihe hari imbaraga nke, umunaniro zarundanyije, kubura urukundo bishobora kuba ibintu bibabaza.
- Niki kigufasha guhangana numunaniro?
- Kugarura: gusinzira, kuganira nabana (baregwa cyane), muri rusange "Hindura ishusho". Ntabwo ari ngombwa no kujya ahantu - urashobora guhindura agace kamwe ku wundi. Guhumeka. Rimwe na rimwe, impamyabumenyi yumunaniro ni nini, kandi urasohoka igihe kirekire ...
- Ukora byinshi?
- birashoboka, sinzi uburyo bwo gukwirakwiza igihe. Sinshaka gutaha nyuma yakazi, oza isura uryame muburiri. Ndashaka gukora ikindi kintu: Kina nabana, kuganira na Ilya, reba film, jya muri resitora ... kubwibyo, ndumwuka umwanya muto wo kuryama, kandi nkunda gusinzira cyane.
- Gutandukana na Ilya mugihe cyo gufata amashusho, kubura cyangwa kubibona nkikiruhuko?
Ati: "Igihe Ilya avuye ku kazi cyangwa gusura abana (bakoresheje impeshyi yabo ya nyogokuru), mbere naje guhura na Euphoria. Umudendezo! Ndi jyenyine mu nzu. Ntibishoboka gusa kuryama - bisa naho ibintu byinshi bishimishije birashobora gukorwa. Kandi rimwe na rimwe nkumbuye, kandi ibi bigaragarira no kurakara. Tugomba kugenda, kandi ntangiye kurakarira Ilya, kuko ntashaka kugenda. Muri rusange, umugabo ntiyivanga cyane cyane murugo, birashoboka nikintu gifite akamaro gukora. (Kumwenyura.)
- Abantu bagutandukanya ubuzima?
- Mu bana - Nanny. Kandi dufite umukozi wo murugo, buri byumweru bibiri bikuraho inzu no gutera imyenda y'imbere. Hamwe nuburuhukiro bahanganye.
- Ibisigaye nibyo?
- koza amasahani, gura ibicuruzwa. Ibyumweru bibiri, ibintu birasa. Nshobora gukora byinshi ubwanjye, ariko mugihe hari amahirwe - nifashisha ubufasha bwabandi bantu. Rimwe na rimwe, ni umunsi w'ikiruhuko, kandi sinshaka kuyakoresha murugo.
- Nzi bamwe muri bagenzi bawe babona ko imirimo yo murugo ari ubwoko bwubwoko bwubwoko.
- rimwe na rimwe syndrome ya Cinderella ikangura. Ndashaka kwitonda guswera igikoni, gifite isuku mu gikoni, gitandukanya ibintu byose ku bubiko. Rimwe na rimwe birampa umunezero. Ihanagura ibitambara ntakintu na kimwe cyo gutegura, ariko umukungugu urahagarara. (Aseka.) Kumara inzu. Noneho urabona inshingano nkizo zituruka ku kumva ko wagezeho - urishimye wenyine. Kubwimpamvu runaka, nkunda ibintu byo murugo kugirango nkore nijoro mugihe ntamuntu umbabaza.
Imyambarire, Lanvin; Amatwi, Chanel.
Ifoto: Alina Inuma; Umufasha wo gufotora: Ksenia Andrinova
- Nigute abaturanyi bafitanye isano nijwi rya vacuum ikora nijoro?
- Nzi neza ko ntacyo bumva. Dufite urukuta rwinshi munzu, ubwitonzi bwiza. Kandi mu buryo butunguranye, nari mfite ikintu cyaguye kandi gikenewe kumara byihutirwa? Mubyukuri, isuku ya vacuum ntabwo ikora cyane. Urusaku rwinshi rukora igishushanyo mbonera twishingikiriza imyenda y'imbere.
- ibihe byahindutse: Abakobwa ba mbere bigishijwe urugo, abashinyaguzi ...
- Noneho birabaho no mu bantu. Nagerageje kwomeka Pavlu kubintu runaka - ntakintu cyabaye. Ntagereranywa cyane, yahise arambirwa. Ahari kuva umwaka bizashoboka gutuma yamesa amasahani.
- Urabona ko abana batera imbere cyane mubintu bimwe na bimwe dushobora?
- Nibyiza ... inyuguti zamagare bazi neza. (Aseka.) Birashoboka, ntibatinya cyane. Bafata igikoresho icyo ari cyo cyose bahita batangira kubikoresha, kanda kuri buto zose. Kandi mfite ubwoba ko nshobora kumena ikintu, ugomba kubanza gusoma amabwiriza ... (kumwenyura.)
- Ntabwo uri umuntu udatinya?
- Mfite ubwoba bwinshi. Kuva muri fobiya, nkibyo, hariho gusa kwanga kubaha udukoko. Rimwe na rimwe, birateye ubwoba gufata intambwe yambere - muburyo bumwe, kurugero. Sinzashinga imbaraga zo gukora ikintu gikabije, ariko ntabwo kinkurura. Subira mubuzima busanzwe sinkunda kwitondera ubwanjye. Ihame, ntabwo nangiritse cyane. Ariko bibaho ko firime yafashwe gusa, nanjye nzabimenya. Hanyuma mfata, nkomeza, ndaje hoood, nkaho ndi megazvit, kandi ndagerageza guhunga vuba. Ariko Ilya akunda gukusanya rubanda. Kurugero, akunda kuvuga cyane ahantu rusange. Abona uburyo umuntu uhagaze atobora isosi ku biro bito, atangira kubwira ibibi kubikorwa. (Aseka.) Ilya buri gihe amenya: afite isura nziza. Ararambirwa kandi ibyo, atera abantu, bityo bitanga imihangayiko.
- Ilya Byiza Gusimbura Amashusho Yumuntu W'umudayimoni ...
- Harahari rero: ni umuntu udadadadamudayimoni. Benshi bizera ko ankubise. (Aseka.) Ifite isura nkijwi rito.
- Nta gutinya kurongora umuntu usanzwe? Birashoboka ko hari ishyari rifite ishyari?
- ntabwo. Ntabwo nibuka ibitekerezo nkibi. Birashoboka gusa ikintu runaka. Twicaye muri sosiyete imwe, kandi umukunzi wacu dukundana na Ilya. Ariko hashize igihe kinini cyane, twatangiye kumubona. Rimwe na rimwe ndamwizera cyane. Ibitekerezo ntibyemera ko umugabo ashobora kumpemukira. Ntibishobora kuba. N'ubundi kandi, ni bwo azanyica. Irankunda - bivuze ko idashobora kubikora.
- Ni iki cyishimira IlA mu ishyingiranwa ryanyu, utekereza iki?
- Kuri njye mbona ubuzima bwose bwa Ilya bunyibukwa. (Aseka.) Sinzi icyo yishimira. Ariko nizere ko bitamugoye kubana nanjye. Kandi mugihe no kumuha umunezero.