Denis Rodkin numuntu umwe wa premiers ya Bolshoi. Yahise agaragara nka Nikolai Tsiskaridze, aba umujyanama we, kandi Yuri Grigorovich, wizeye wenyine mubyo yaremye. Denis makumyabiri n'umunani, kandi mumyaka itandatu gusa yageze murwego rwohejuru mu mwuga wa ballet. Niba kandi nabyo byongeraho Eleonori hagati, mwene wabo wa Matilda wamamaye, noneho igaragara amateka yikinamico. Ibisobanuro - Mu kiganiro hamwe n'ikinyamakuru "ikirere".
- Denis, Ukurikije Ibitabo byawe, uri umuntu ufite urwenya ...
- Kubwimpamvu runaka, abantu benshi barabivuga - inshuti, abo mukorana, Mama. (Kumwenyura.) Ariko mubyukuri, rimwe na rimwe nkunda ikibi cyo gusetsa no ndetse na ndi umufana wirabura. Birashoboka rimwe na rimwe no kubabaza umuntu. Ariko icyuma ntabwo ndi umunyamahanga kuri njye.
- Ariko urasekeje cyane kuvuga uburyo benewamwe baganiriye na ballet: Papu - injeniyeri wa gihingwa na murumuna we ...
"Nibyo, nabanje kubatumiye ku" bwiza bwo gusinzira, "aho nakoraga inyoni y'ubururu, kandi ntibatangaye na gato. Ariko nyuma, "spartak" yamaze kubakunda, hanyuma binjira muburyo buryohe. Ariko uyu ni umuryango wanjye, ariko muri rusange, ballet iracyari Elite Art - kandi rubanda rusanzwe ntirukurura rwose. Ariko, bityo, ntatakaza agaciro kayo kuruhande rwa opera. Kuri njye mbona ko ari byiza iyo ikinamico ari inzu ndetse no hejuru yumuziki wa cinema na pop usubiza uburyohe bwabateze amatwi menshi.
- Nuburyo wavuze ko ari urugendo rukomeye muri forelation, niko abunziriza arushaho kwigaragaza. Urashobora gusobanura?
- Iyo ishusho igoye yinshingano ya filigree irimo gutondekwa, ufite ububiko bwimbere imbere no gukora kwerekana. Urugero, niba gusimbuka bworoshye mu "Swan Lake" no kugwa inshuro ebyiri kuva gatanu gatanu, buhuye, kandi ishusho ufise ikindi - isuku, butagira. Niba kandi udakura aho uhagarara, ntushobora kuzamura amaguru, hanyuma ishusho izabona rero. Simvuze ko muri "spartacus" ikwiye gusimbuka ubwiza bumwe bwijana kuburyo ntakintu nakimwe cyo kubona isura. Kuri njye, iki nikimenyetso cyikimenyetso aho yuri Nikolaevich GriGOomeye. Hariho abasaba bihagije, ariko yantoye kubintu, tekiniki ... kubwibyo, nubwo nkunda "Carmen," benshi muri bose, ni "spalot". N'ubundi kandi, ubwo ninjiraga mu mikino minini, ntamuntu numwe wizeraga ko bishobora kuba byinshi kuri njye. Kandi yagabanije gukora ntarushye.
Ku ishyaka ryo muri ballet "Bayaderka" Denis yakiriye igihembo cya Beno'a De La Kubyina
Ifoto: Ububiko bwihariye bwa Denis Rodkin
- Urakomeye mu ruhare rw'umuyobozi w'abacakara b'inyeshyamba, nubwo ari hanze, kandi mumico na gato ntibibutsa intwari ye ...
- Uratekereza ko utekereza ko mfite umujinya woroshye - ntabwo. Mugihe hari ikintu kibabaza, nahise ntangira kwerekana amenyo yanjye. (Umwenyura.) Ariko muburyo bwo kwihangana, ndimo kwihangana kandi ndaringaniye, ngomba kuzana kwibasirwa kuva kera. Ndetse no kurakara neza, ntutakaze kandi ntukihutira ibintu. Mubihe bitavugwaho rumwe nkunda ibiganiro byubaka, ibiganiro. Ubu ni uburyo bwa muntu bwo gusobanura umubano.
- Ufite ubwo bwenge muri kamere? Kimwe no kwigirira icyizere, ibyo uvuga inshuro nyinshi mubazwa bawe.
"Nibyo, sinzavuga ku bwenge, ariko dore ko tuzi ko ku kuba kubw'intsinzi ari ngombwa, byaje aho ndi mu myaka cumi n'ibiri, igihe nize mu ishuri rya Choreografiya kuri Moscou Ikinamico yamasomo ya Leta "Gzhel". Mama Ibintu byose byatunguwe nuko ntari bikomeye mumyaka, nishimiye nimugoroba, nishimiye ko umunsi wumunsi utuyeho ... Ahari narizeye byimazeyo kandi inyuma yurungano, Iyo ntanze rwose nsabwa mwishuri kumuntu kugirango tugere ... Sinzi. Ni byiza ko ntigeze mtanga raporo muribi, ntabwo rero ntemereye kuruhuka. Nifuzaga ko abarimu bampimbaza njye gusa. (Umwenyura.) Ariko gusuzuma intego y'ubushobozi bwayo bwagaragaye nyuma, igihe yari asanzwe yinjira mu turere twakomeye, batangira kumpatira ku mashyaka yonyine. Muri ubwo buryo, hashyizweho kwigirira icyizere.
- byunvikana ko ufite isano ikomeye cyane na mama ... yasobanuye ibye?
- neza. Niwe wahisemo ballet kuri njye. Kandi mama yahoraga yizerana. Nka Data. Igihe kinini cyibanze kubitekerezo byabo. Uyu munsi ndasanzwe ukuze, nanjye ubwanjye ndasobanura ubuzima bwanjye, ariko niba bikenewe kugirango babone akazi. Aba ni abantu ba hafi batigera bagutererana, ntibazahemba.
- Mu muryango, nkuko mbisobanukiwe, ntangarwa ntabwo nabonye umuhanzi muriwe, sibyo?
- Birumvikana. Mama yanshakishije kuntera, bityo mpa yo kwiga gucuranga gitari, nka mukuru mukuru, - none nzibuka gusa na chords ebyiri (kumwenyura), hanyuma muri studio mu ngoro y'umuco, aho intambwe yize. .. Ngaho twagize ikipe itangaje: Ndabyina kuri stage hagati, hamwe nabagenzi banjye - abo mwigana - ku mpande. Kandi rimwe, umwe muri bo yicara muri twine, byabaye isoni ku buryo sinshobora, maze mfata icyemezo cyo kujya aho yatojwe. Rero, icyifuzo cyo kwishyiriraho neza kandi kinjyana kuri ballet.
"Ndagerageza kutagira icyorezo, ariko umuntu mwiza. Kurugero, sinzigera nemera muri salleirium kuza mu myenda, jeans na swateri"
Ifoto: Sasha Gusov
- Wari ufite ibigirwamana?
- Kuba umuhungu, mubisanzwe nishimiye inyenyeri zizwi cyane za ballet. Nabanje, ingimbi, mu ngoro ya Kremin, imbyino ye ndushya umusore ukora ibirori bya Mercutio i Romeo na Juliet. Nashakaga kumera nka we - kandi ubwo nakuriye, nasanze ko uru ruhare rutaboneye. Ariko uwo mugoroba, Mama urasaba yaguze ballet yafashwe amajwi yafashwe, aho imbyino zigaragara. Yahawe sparsak. Nshobora noneho gutekereza ko mumyaka mike nzasohoka muriyi ballet mu kirori cyumutwe ...
- Kuva wavuze Amplua, Uwawe?
- Lyrical intwari hamwe n'umusozi wintwari. (Kumwenyura.) Ndagerageza kwerekana imico yanjye. Dufate igihe iyo umugigi, noneho kuri njye ntabwo ari umusore udasanzwe, unoze, ahubwo ni umukaramu wukuri, wintwari. Hamwe namaguru ya kera, ndatekereza ko appleb yintwari (ituze. - Hafi.) Nibura ndeba ubwanjye kuruhande.
- no mu buzima bwa buri munsi wowe igikomangoma?
- Hanze birashoboka. Nubwo nkurikiza imyitwarire. Ndagerageza kutagira icyorezo, ariko umuntu mwiza. Kurugero, sinzigera ndemera muri salle ya Autotorium kuza mu ntera, jeans na swaters. Kuri njye ni ishyamba. Kandi benshi nyuma yabo, ntanubwo batekereza no kubintu nkibi. Jyewe, iyo njya muri salle kugirango numve opera, - buri gihe yambaye ipantaro, ishati n'inkweto zera. Kuri njye mbona uburere bushimangiwe gusa nuburyo ibintu bihagije umuntu asa.
- Wavuze opera, kandi nasomye ko wigishijwe ubwabo ...
- Yego, Opera ikura iburanisha ryumuziki. Njya muri conservatori, yagiye muri St. Peter-Burg to Mariinka kumva "Troubeda". Valery Abisalovich Gergiev yakoze. Nakomeje kwibwira cyane. Kimwe nigitaramo cyuzuye yuri Khatuyevich terkanova.
- Ndakeka ko usibye icyongereza uzi kandi igifaransa - erega, mama aramwigisha ...
Ati: "Hano nzagutenguha - ubutegetsi bukomeye bwa ballet ntibwansubije amasaha yubusa kugirango yiteze iterambere ryigifaransa. Nahagurutse buri munsi kuri irindwi mirongo itatu mu gitondo, ku munani mirongo ine na gatanu natangiye amasomo mu ishuri rya kabiri, rimaze igihe cumi na bane, hanyuma mpita nkora amasomo, kuko na makumyabiri na rimwe kugeza ku ishuri rya ballet, kandi hanyuma uryame.
Denis yanze film Uruhare rwa Nureyev, ariko nifuza kugaragara ku ishusho yerekeye Alexander Godunov
Ifoto: Sasha Gusov
- Ntabwo wigeze utsindira amarushanwa yo hejuru, arangije amashuri akomeye ya choreografiya, kandi, nkuko ndabyumva, kwinjira muri ikinamico nini ni isafuriya ...
- byanze bikunze! Ntabwo yanyitayeho kubera imiterere. Hanyuma Nikolai Tsiskarididze aranshakisha, atangira gukorana nanjye. Ngomba kuvuga, Ari Umwarimu ufite impano! Afite ijisho-diyama, abona amakuru make. Niba umunyeshuri atabonye ibyifuzo, abivuga mu buryo butaziguye: "Kuki ukeneye ibi byose? Ntukajye umusanzure cyangwa cyangwa njye. Kubwamahirwe, sinigeze numva ibi muri aderesi yanjye. (Kumwenyura.) Ariko kuri njye mbona ko ububita bufite agaciro, ugomba kwitegura. Ballet - Ubuhanzi bwubugome. Njye, nko mubana, gahunda ikomeye, nhora urwana n'ubunebwe. Ntushobora kwiyumvisha ukuntu ingorane za mugitondo nkuraho uburiri - umubiri uracyanywa itabi nyuma y'ejo. Ariko birakwiye ko tugenda muri salle, tangira kwiga ishuri - imitsi irashyuha, amaraso atangira kuzenguruka vuba, kandi urumva umerewe neza.
- wowe nkubwoko bumwe bwimodoka abwira ...
- Rero, muburyo bumwe. Ariko n'umutima.
- urasobanura neza ko wihuta cyane?
- Hariho ibibazo kandi byoroshye cyane. Birashoboka cyane, iki nikirere cyubushobozi, umurimo no guhura. Biragaragara ko ntamuntu numwe wari witeze, kandi ntabwo nkuraho ko namennye imikino yumuntu.
- Ishyari rinini ryavukiye mumyaka irenga icumi muri corpsorette ...
- Ntabwo bibanda ku bibi - kandi hamwe na we, mubyukuri, ntibyahuye. Ishyari rirakomeye. Uhagaze rero! Ariko nzi ko abakobwa benshi, kurugero, banyuzwe cyane nimirambo: mugihe akazi karacyazenguruka isi, akazi karashimishije - muri theatre, kandi ntabwo ari mubiro, kandi igishushanyo gihora mumajwi, Ntugomba kujya mubuzima. Ndi umwanya nkuwo, ntabwo rero, ntabwo ari ugufunga - Nakagombye gutsinda. Uburambe burebure nubwo byatsinzwe na gato. Kandi nagenda ndamutse mbonye ko ntakintu kibaho.
"Ntugifite mirongo itatu, kandi umaze kubyina amashyaka yose akomeye muri ballet ya kera." Ni izihe ntego zindi?
- burigihe hariho ikintu cyo guharanira. Ubwa mbere, ugomba kunoza ubuhanga - ibi ntibirenze. Ubuhanzi Bwerekana cyane, burigihe burigihe burigihe bukura. Byongeye kandi, hamwe nurukundo rwanjye rwose, sinshobora kuvuga ko hari izindi nyubako nziza - umurima mwiza, La Ska La, aho ari byiza kuvuga ku butumire, muri ballele mu kindi kinama cy'undi nyigisho, Muyindi fomu, hamwe nabakozi bashya bashimishije. Nuburyo ballet zo mu Burusiya isenga mu Buyapani! Nejejwe no kugurukayo. Iki nikintu nkunda nyuma y'Uburusiya. Ameze nk'umubumbe utandukanye. Ariko muri rusange, numva ndi umuntu wisi. Dufite urugendo rwinshi, kandi mumujyi uwo ariwo wose tuzaza - twishimiye ahantu hose. Birashimishije bidasanzwe.
Kugaragara kwabibatsi byumubyinnyi byashimishije Nikolai Tsiskarididze, wabaye umujyanama we wambere muri theatre ya Bolshoi
Ifoto: Charles Thompson
- Ni abahe bastitis coreografiya wifuza gufatanya?
- Oh, nta gushidikanya, hamwe na Yuri NikoLavich GriGOvi-kuruta. Uyu muhanzi yubatse ikiruhuko cya Bolshoi muburyo aho kibaho. Yahinduye byukuri kubyina kwabagabo kumwanya wambere. Hamwe na John Neumayer - ameze nkumuntu wese! Ntabwo ariwo mukora, kandi utekereza kurema imipira ye ntabwo ari kubwimbyino gusa, ahubwo kubwimbyino ya filozofiya yimbitse. Birashimishije kuri byo, gusa ahubwo no kuganira. Avuga ko rero akubwira uruhare rwawe ku buryo utagishoboye gutegereza, igihe uzerekeza kuri salle ejo.
- Abahanzi bakomeye barashobora gukina ubuhanga no kutaba abanyabwenge. Muri ballet bisaba etudition, mubitekerezo byawe?
- Nta gushidikanya, ugomba kuzuzwa. Ntabwo duhishe kumyandiko yubwenge. Kuri stage ureba, nkaho wambaye ubusa, kandi inenge zawe ziragaragara. Niba umuhanzi adahangayikishijwe no gutegura, ntanu gusobanukirwa nibyo yirukana, reka bikabone neza, noneho iyi ni ibyago.
- Ukunda kwiga?
- Pragmatike, mfata iki gikorwa - ntahantu hose. Ndangije kuva kuri choreografiya ya koreografiya ya koreografiya, none nakiriye amashuri makuru ya kabiri - yinjiye muri kaminuza ya Leta ya Moscou mu ishami ry'ubuyobozi. Ikigaragara ni uko niba utekereza ejo hazaza, ntabwo nteganya Ballelemaster - nta mpano mfite yo guhinga. Umwarimu arashoboka, ariko muburyo runaka bwimyaka ikomeye. Kandi urwego rwubuyobozi, imicungire, politiki yo gucunga imanza kuri njye kubishya. Kumurikirwa muri kaminuza nukuri, turatubwira kubyerekeye ubukungu, kandi ku mateka y'Ubuhinde bwa kera, kandi kubyerekeye uwanditse "ibinyobwa" n'inyanja ya Swan. Ndatangazwa nuko hariho abanyeshuri batazi umwanditsi. Ihame, ndahuye na phenomenon ko abantu benshi batajya kuri theatre na gato. Muri icyo gihe, ntabwo babaye, ariko Abasangwabutaka. Mperutse kunzanira umushoferi wa tagisi - Ikirusiya, ntabwo ari umukozi wabatumirwa, ufashijwe na gadget yashakishije ahantu hamwe na Bolshoi Theatre ya Bolshoi.
- Rero, mugihe kizaza, urabona uri mu ntebe yumutwe?
- birashoboka. Nubwo ikinamico ni imiterere igoye cyane, sisitemu nyinshi. Ariko kubera iki? Nukuri, ni ejo hazaza heza cyane. Mugihe nashizweho kugirango mbyina bishoboka.
- Kandi hariho ikintu utikira kubera umwuga?
- Gukina umupira. Nkumwana, nakunze gutwara umupira mu gikari, akenshi natsinze ibitego nk'agateganyo ... ariko kuri cumi na gatandatu narose kuguru nkareka kujya muri ballet. Kandi shampiyona yisi iherutse kunyeganyeza amarangamutima yahoze, kandi nagerageje gutwara umupira. Kandi urabizi, imitsi itandukanye rwose yarahindutse, nyuma yicyo gikorwa yari afite byinshi.
- Ukoresheje inzira, ababyinnyi ba ballet bakunze kwemera ko bamenyereye ububabare buhoraho, ko batabonye ko bimaze ... ubuzima bwawe bwa buri munsi burakomeye cyane?
- Hano twicaye muri cafe, kandi ntakintu kimbabaza. Iyi rero ntabwo ari inkuru ihoraho. Ariko niba usimbutse kandi unaniwe, biroroshye guhana ikintu, kwimura cyangwa umugongo wawe birashobora gusenyuka kuri pyrutet. Ariko ibi byose ni ubuswa, ntabwo nitonze. Ndasaba umuganga, gusa iyo bibabaza. Mbere, ntabwo byashidikanyaga ko ntakintu kidashoboka kumubiri wumuntu. Vuba aha gusubiramo iyi ngingo: umutungo, ndetse numukire, ntarengwa. Kubwibyo, birakenewe kwiyemerera gukira kandi ntigukubite guhinga ibitaramo bitanu buri cyumweru. Hano ndabyina ahantu ndwi ku kwezi, kandi ibi birahagije kuri njye.
- ubuzima bwawe bukora nde?
- Muri rusange, mfite oya. Mu nzu i Moscou cyangwa hoteri ahantu runaka ku ngendo baza gusinzira gato. Njye na Pet yanjye - Abanyamerika b'Abongereza, Cota Fer, boherejwe na nyina, irungu ryagize ingaruka mbi. Ababyeyi binjiye muri anima umwe nka we, murumuna we - Steptan.
- uri mu maso h'umuntu?
- Ubukungu. Ntabwo ashaka guta amafaranga mumuyaga. Ariko kuri massage nziza, imyenda myiza, ntabwo nicuza impano zinshuti. Amaherezo, ninjiza kugirango nkoreshe ubuzima bwiza. Dufate ko urya ibiryo biryoshye. (Kumwenyura.)
- Bisobanura, amagare, ballet ni iki?
- Ku giti cyanjye, i Gourmet. Ntabwo niteguye, ndya muri resitora. Ariko niba uganira cyane kubyerekeye amafaranga, noneho nibikoresho gusa. Nashyizweho kugirango mbone byinshi, ariko ishyirwa mubikorwa ryibikorwa byo guhanga nicyiza. Kuri njye mbona iyo mugihe ufite ubuhanga mubisabwa, noneho utuje kandi amafaranga arahagije.
- Cinema ntabwo ikoresha inyemezabuguzi yawe?
- Natumiwe mukwirukana ishusho ya Nureyev, ariko bitandukanye rwose na we hanze, nuko ntagenda. Ariko niba bazarasa kaseti kubyerekeye Alexander Godunov, twarimo dusa, nzagerageza rwose.
- Ufite inshuti ntabwo ari ballet?
- ntabwo. Byendagusetsa, ariko inshuti zanjye zifite amatsiko cyane ubuzima bwa Theatre, ntibashobora kumvikana, nkuko twibuka cyane ingendo. Ndetse polyglot ifite indimi esheshatu iratangara. (Kumwenyura.)
- Mbwira, Uhorana mute, guhera ku kigero, dukorana nitsinda?
- Ntabwo nagiye mu kigo cy'incuke, ku buryo nahangayikishijwe cyane n'ishuri. Ndibuka ubwoba nibwo nashyizwe mubashakanye kumurongo wa 1 Nzeri mucyiciro cya mbere hamwe numukobwa kandi yari agisabwe gufata ku ntoki. Mfite isoni.
- uri mwiza, kandi ntagushidikanya - Nakunze abanyeshuri bigana ...
"Nibyo, bamwe basaga nkana, ariko byarambabaje."
Hamwe n'umukobwa wakundaga, Ballerina Eleanori arigatangira, aho yanditse ko yari ikirangantego cya legetary Matilda Kshesin
Ifoto: Charles Thompson
Ati: "Wemejwe mu kiganiro cyagize inshuro ebyiri mu rukundo gusa ... Noneho byamenyekanye kushyamirana cyawe hamwe na Ballerina w'imyaka makumyabiri y'amavuko yabereye i St. Petersburg, hagati. Uru nirwo rukundo rwa gatatu mubuzima?
- na nini mbere. Mbere, nari umufasha wenyine kubwiza, ibikubiye muri njye ntibyari impungenge. Rimwe na rimwe, nagize amahirwe kuri adrictious. Hamwe na Eli, mfite byose ukundi. Noneho ndimo guhura nubuntu nkubu si ntibuka uko bwari mbere.
- Wahuye gute?
- Ku munsi w'umwaka mushya, hashyizweho umukiza mu Bugereki, umufatanyabikorwa, nagombaga kubyina ntashobora kuguruka - na Eleanor ayisimbuza. Ntabwo twari tumenyerewe mbere yibyo, ariko nabonye imbyino, uko ihanitse, elegant, ntabwo isa nabandi kandi yize neza. Umukobwa mu muryango mwiza. Kandi ibyo bitekerezo byanjye kuri we byari byemejwe rwose mubyukuri. Ely ndetse barenze ibyifuzo. Yankubise ineza no kumwitaho. Byaragaragaye ko kuri stage nakuye cyane ukuguru kwanjye, yarabyimbye, kandi twagombaga kuguruka duhereye kuri Atenayi tujya mu Buyapani. Iyo nza kuba wenyine, byaba ari umusazi. Birumvikana ko abafatanyaga bahora bakomeza mu mico, ariko rero nari huzuyemo umuraba ushyushye wo kutata ku mukobwa ukiri muto. Njye nagiranye ikiganiro gishimishije, nagerageje kurangaza, kandi mugihe kimwe nafashe ku kuguru - kandi nagiye guhangayika rwose. Mubisanzwe, igihe twatandukana, natangiye kubyumva no gufata ingamba kugirango tubanye.
- Kurinda neza?
- romantike.
- Vuba aha, umeze ute, ni ibihe bintu bishya wavumbuye muri iki gihe mubyo wanditse?
- Elya ntabwo ari umunyabwenge. Ndumva andeze kandi ntajya asaba ikintu na kimwe. Ni inshuti yizewe ahora ashyira urutugu, kandi nzi ko nshobora kumwizera nka we. Ikintu nyamukuru, ndashaka gusubira kuri yo. Nabanje kwifata kuri iyi myumvire. Mbere, byaragurukaga mu ruzinduko, kandi nta kintu na kimwe murugo cyashushanyijeho, hanyuma nkumbuye. Elya, uko mbibona, inshuti yubuzima. Nishimiye ko nabonye umugabo wanjye. Kandi yongeye kwinjira mumuryango wacu ... Mama mubyukuri nkumukobwa wanjye. (Aramwenyura.) Nizere ko tuzabana murugo gusa, ahubwo tuzabana. Dufite umushinga umwe uhuriweho - Ballet "Anna Karenina".
- Eleonora yaje kuri theatre nini ya Arb. A. Ya. Vaganova, kandi arabyina mu mirambo ubu, sibyo?
- Yego, ariko hamwe n'ubwonko bwe nimpano, ntabwo bizaguma aho, nzi neza. Ategereje uburebure bunini.
- Haracyari ubudahemuka bwimigani kubyerekeye guhuza bifitanye isano na Matilda Kshesin's ...
- Elya irakwiye cyane kuri ibi: Ntabwo bigushushanya, ikwemera ko ubwe agomba kwerekana uburenganzira bwe bwo kuba kuri stage. Kuri we, ni iterambere ryinshi. Kandi nzamufasha.
- Hanyuma, sangira mugihe uheruka kubyina atari kukazi, ariko kubugingo?
- Buri gihe mbyina gusa. Ariko niba tuvuga ubuzima bwihariye, noneho iyi mpeshyi nyuma yo kuvuga Normandy, muri desiwor Dyagilev "mu iyerekwa rya Rose" hamwe na Vacalav Nezhinsky, na Twagiye i Londres hamwe na bagenzi bawe. Kandi hano muri imwe mu nimugoroba kubuntu yagiye muri salle, bafata byeri nziza, erega, kandi kwishimisha kwari kwishima munsi yinjyana zigezweho. (Kumwenyura.)