Natalia, where and under what circumstances did your memorable meeting with such a significant person, as Mikhail Mikhailovich occurred?
Natalia Surova: "It was twenty two years ago, at the opening of the Odessa club. Naturally, in our hometown. Misha was invited to where the club leader, and I - as a discriminating coffee. I was twenty-four years old, and I looked spectacular: little black dress, high heel, red coat, haircut kara ... "
So the words of the classic are remembered: "First, the body pulls, and there are already inspecting" ...
Natalia: "Absolutely! You drive home and then you look what you got. Lucky - smart! We exactly on this scheme everything developed. And when he voiced her, a bunch of friends called us with recognition that everything was identical to them: both brains, and the nature of their future wives they looked at much later. So, as practice shows, a man can not understand anything in a woman while he is engaged in imposing. But I plus it was still very actively cleaned by everything, soap dishes, which, too, probably did not go out. Misha has, by the way, a wonderful work on this topic. I remember from there: "If you let the woman in the house and saw her there already with a vacuum cleaner, then, consider it, she will not leave anywhere." That was exactly about me. Since that day, we have not parted already, although at first no one thought how long our joint life would be. In general, the thought of marriage did not arise. We trigged to each other very joyfully and violently. I was young, many moments did not understand, but it came to a person already with the last life. Mishe was fifty-six years old. True, the difference in the age did not embarrass - I did not feel it thanks to the Mishina enthusiastic, childlike view of life ... People reacted in different ways, looking from the part to our pair. "
Before exploring Zhvanetsky, your female fate has been successful?
Natalia: "More than. From seventeen years old, I lived in a hostel without parents, I studied, received a profession of the hydrologist, worked at the project institute, but with the beginning of the restructuring it was closed, and I got a costume device to a tiny mime theater, where Luslavsky was the main director. Among my fans, Zhvanetsky stand out, and all the comparisons were only in Mishina. By the way, it turned out that we are not just fellow countrymen, and literally neighbors: My parents lived on Bogdan Khmelnitsky Street at the Motherland cinema, and Zhvanetsky nearby, on Street Starizavofrankovskaya. My grandmother came across Mishina dad - a doctor, and so she remembered that she was sure that she was confident that my husband is a hereditary doctor. He said: "The doctor Zhvanetsky knows everything!"
Odessa Misha Zhvanetsky was born in the family of doctors. With Pope Emmanuil Moiseevich and Mom Rasa Yakovlevna. Photo: Personal archive of Mikhail Zhvanetsky.
By that time, did you already have an image of the future spouse? Were there any coincidences with the ideal?
Natalia: "No, somehow did not think. The only thing in childhood I was fond of two writers. First, Gerald Darrell, who described the adventures and life of animals. I liked his fate. And secondly, Ernest Hemingway. His books were impressed as biography. Only the number of women scare money. "
In your case, everything was like. Here you did not fear?
Natalia: "And I didn't even imagine the scale of his personal life. There was no Internet at that time, there were no questions, I did not ask any questions, as I could not blame for me that he could hurt me. And Mishino's close surroundings somehow immediately accepted and began to protect from different curvators. Probably, they are already tired of his endless love and wanted him to settle down. About his past, all friends were silent as partisans. It looked like a spraul. Much in detail, I learned much later when a bunch of "goodwires" appeared.
Curiously as Zhvanetsky courted?
Natalia: "He was gallant. In relation to me even generous. Somewhere in six months, probably it happened. Misha gave me a fur coat, for example. The first was from the fashionable then nutria, then from the mink ... But they were such Soviet, heavy, and when some people helped me to undress, many have fallen into the wardrobe straight with the fur. "
Recently, Mikhail Mikhailovich said that there are women who fall in love with talent, His holling, cherish, and they no longer care how much this talent is, as he looks. It seems to me that he meant you ...
Natalia: "Most likely. As a man is wise, he is looking for an answer to the question as far as we have a strong family, as we live. Perhaps other couples are not even thinking about it, but this is not our option. The man literally eaten himself, considers the situation on all sides, compares. And, it is clear, always finds some words ... Undoubtedly, the talent hooked me in Misha. But not only. In general, it is impossible to explain, for which you love, to rebuild your husband into the components. This topic can be reasoned infinite. So, they say, love rich comfortably. And take away from this wealthy Mr. His financial side, so nothing will remain. The main one still spins around the character. And live with a talented person - in principle the same as with ordinary. Is that a little more fun. Since the brains are arranged in a special way, the drive is permanent ... There are side by side with the energy that is unavailable to a normal person. "
So, weekdays do you pass non-standard?
Natalia: "It happens as standard. Sometimes it is even very sluggish, as part of the work Misha got used to do, lying in bed. And I dedicate this time to my business and never wait for my husband to entertain me. There are always at home something to do: read, walk along the sports walkway, for example. We have a huge amount of simulators - it is a hobby of her husband. I used to seem to me how they were not required, but now I see that it is already necessary, and also drawn up, looking at the spouse. Misha monitors: at least he spends an hour in the hall, chooses healthy food ... Yes, he loves the smell of baking, fresh buns with butter, but allowing them rarely. I know if I brought something similar home, there will be a scandal. (Smiles.) Fucking, fat still absent in the daily diet. Although these restrictions sometimes, the mood is violated. His inner motor, the passion for life is never dreamed. It manifests itself even in everyday life. It has such childish curiosity: what is the advantage of this particular car, and what is this meat grinder of a new generation or TV, refrigerator, dishes? And we must urgently go and buy all this almost in bulk. Intervenes in everything. But this does not mean that he likes to engage in the economy, not at all. But it is necessary to know everything about this or that item. And then, Misha loves comfort and believes that the licked showroom should not be at home. In his office reigns creative mess, the books are scattered, the cup can stand anywhere, TV - hanging on the window in the kitchen (so more convenient). At the same time, he is accumulated: T-shirts, panties, socks - all folds with a pile. This is his order, which I try to maintain. "
Artist with his wife Natalia and the son of the Miety on vacation in Italy. Photo: Personal archive of Mikhail Zhvanetsky.
Zhvanetsky admitted that he lived in his youth, he worked in the port, he walked with pop-bays, stuck with Kerosene's companions, and it came to him only after sixty. Apparently, he is not too "material", since he says that the money earning is ironically, right?
Natalia: "Yes. But the work in the port gave him the invaluable experience, which he used for many years. And then, at that time, many needed and existed extremely ascetic. When I came to him, we lived with him on the old dacha in Odessa, with a narrow plot. He also had a "Mercedes," he was terribly proud of. And in Moscow we dwell in a one-room apartment on the Queen Street. It was the whole "luxury" I saw. That is, Misha is not the person who earns money. He is just doing what he likes, and since this brings income. I, as a woman, naturally, wanted to always dress beautifully, change the situation in the apartment and, it was clear, was rejoiced to the acquisition of some kind of well-being. Now I'm pleased that we have an apartment in the center where only a son lives now, because Misha can not fall asleep in a noisy megapolis, and we are constantly inhabit the country house in the suburbs. But our favorite is a cozy house in Odessa, by the sea. Both at home we were built without the help of architects, everyone was given to the deposit of builders, and they took into account our wishes. It is a pity that in Odessa now we live surrounded by discos: if the day is still quiet, then the evenings of a solid ht. "
You impress a very business woman. You just have enough houses and families, did not break down to open your business?
Natalia: "Yes, forces and desires, I would have enough for sure. Sometimes I do something small in Odessa, but it is so ... the truth is that the husband can not tolerate when I leave him for a long time. He needs to feel that I am near, somewhere in the house, or near the tour. And I live the life of Misha. And I connect the link between life and Misha. As a translator. We go to doctors together, I can't call plumbers, and so on. "
Have you had a modest wedding? I did not write anywhere about her.
Natalia: "She was not. Misha and I began to live together, then gave birth to a child when Misha wanted himself, and when the boy had gone, he began to ask why we were not her husband and wife officially. For him, it turned out to be important, he did not want to be as if illegitimate, it was upset for some reason, he wanted Mom to be the name of Pope. We have long stopped thinking about it, but signed, and without having any celebrations on this occasion. It happened about three years ago. By the way, I still did not take the last name Zhvanetsky. (Smiles.) Although the fact that I got married, probably, well, and then I lived all my life and never was married, it's stupid, too, somehow it turns out ... "
I know that your seventeen-year-old son Dmitry entered the institute this year. What faculty preferred?
Natalia: "Psychology. It's his choice. He consulted with us about the future specialty, since still doubted. We drove it for all sorts of tests that determine certain inconsistencies. We personally, like parents, have seen his doctor. And our friend Dima Pushkar, surgeon, even suggested Mita to go to the assistants to him - see in practice, what is this sphere and whether she needs it. Mitya was first delighted. But later changed his mind. From the dad he took the gift of the narrator, plus a certain desire for analysis ... I hope he will become an intelligent psychologist. At least he is calmer, increasingly than we are both. To all our loud, temperamental clarification of relationships, it refers philosophically. At first, I tried to intervene, deal with who is right, and when I realized that it was useless, began to keep neutrality. "
"Now I hardly completed that my child tells bass, got a meter ninety, and the size of the shoes has forty-fifth." Photo: Personal archive of Mikhail Zhvanetsky.
The story is known that when the mother of Young Mikhail Mikhailovich found him at home with a girl (it was his first sexual experience), she was offended and left. Having had two days to search for her in the city. How are you doing with girlfriends Dima?
Natalia: "He has not acquainted with anyone with anyone. Girls, apparently, is, so when we go to the apartment, always pre-warn. I am not yet ready for such nervous shocks. Although the girl in our apartment, under control, much better than he himself will go somewhere, how I tell me friends ... But while I hardly completed that my boy tells Basas, got a meter ninety, the size of the shoes has forty-fifth, and recently His still barely forced his beard. Not to mention that he was going to make a tattoo. I asked to wait at least two years - I regret my mother. He looks very adult. In the restaurant, the account always bring him, and they look at me with suspicion. " (Smiles.)
Curious what Zhvanetsky dad. Walked with a child in the zoo?
Natalia: "I can not imagine such a picture. He even with me like that, for the hand, did not go anywhere. We have another alignment: he runs on his affairs, and I adapt. There are meetings, where I must be with him, according to the protocol, which is called. There are others where I already want to attend ... From time to time I also attached Mitu to the company so that he looked at the dad. Sometimes there were cases. So, on tour in Israel, our still little son, standing behind the scenes, suddenly decided to go on the stage and report to the audience. He managed to stop. And so Misha took Mitu on stage several times, however, with an empty hall, to clearly demonstrate where he performs. And all the mature of the Son passed under the slogan: "Watching Father's Flights." Mity accounted for hard. He mastered English in one month in London's linguistic camp, learned to actually play the guitar with the teacher, but Dad did not particularly praise him, rather criticized. Husband in principle is a stingy compliments, and I also have. It is clear that Misha did not go to school, did not check the lessons. I remember, he watched with horror, as we taught the table of multiplication ... You see, there are people who prefer to communicate only with adults. That Misha is just that. He even with our Melts, who grew up in his eyes, talks primarily as with a person, and not with his child. "
If you believe the Internet, then Zhvanetsky - Father Large ...
Natalia: "Only there is half no. Let all these children will be at conscientious of their moms. Misha had only an early short marriage in his youth. But the mother of his wife Larisa did not seem promising, and they were departed in Paris. And so he always lived in freedom, one, the girlfriends were all passing, and who would check what will check ... Undoubtedly, to attribute the fatherhood Zhvanetsky nicer than the watchman's uncle Vasya. By the way, one popular radio station conducted a survey: from whom from celebrities would you like to take off the offspring? And Misha took the first place! When the husband learned about it, he was so regenerated with me - I walked insane, in my opinion, I tried not to return to the family. (Smiles.) But we forgave him. As far as I know, from real children there is a daughter Lisa, she is about thirty, she is a lawyer and lives in Moscow. It seems to me that Misha wants to communicate with her, but Lisa himself needs to look for contact, and not wait from the father. The reason is that the artists generally have enough communication, and it is better not to wait for them when they remember you, but to take the initiative, call, catch between touring, call to visit, feed, say good words about creativity. There is also a twenty-two-year-old son Maxim, living with her mother in America. I know that it was an expected child. He looks like Misha. I think my husband helps that family, but I am not going to detail, we are extremely correct to each other. I am pleased that Misha speaks so warmly about his children, the fact that he is a decent man. This is only young fools sure: if their spouse is compartment of all previous women and children, they will be happy together. In reality, he will also come with it after some time lapse. So I want to wish to women: be alert, look at the biography, see how a man left for women that they left ... "
A person, he belong to the words "Femininity talked through the clothes", can not not be kind of fond. How did you cope with jealousy?
Natalia: "I am a Aries on the sign of the zodiac, so hot, it was terribly jealous. Women love ears, and Misha was surrounded by the ladies in this regard. For all of our joint life, I remember only one blatant episode, when we walked together, and we have survived the girl in an ultra-mini-skirt, and my Misha considered it in detail. View of the artist. Two weeks later I remembered him. "So the whole street looked at her!" Husband was outraged. That was the only story. He did not give me reasons. We always cut down the difference in age. Whether we are peers - probably felt. And so it was stimulated, kept the views in the tone, which other men threw me. " (Smiles.)
Yes, you lasted alongside longer than all the predecessors ... It is unlikely that only due to the difference in age.
Natalia: "It is difficult to unambiguously formulate. We both never believed that we could be together. Previous women really wanted to be with Misha, and they came, imposed, settled almost violently, and I was configured so that at any time I could disappear. Once he stopped me, sometime no, and I returned myself. In short, I did not clinging. It was annoyed, and attracted. "
Holidays Do you like to love? Who is your friends at home?
Natalia: "Misha loves feast. Previously, we organized them often, and now we do not have time - the schedule is hard. But, of course, friends are visiting. Basically, these are people of other professions. Non-door. From those known to us come by Yarmolniki. Oksana and Lenya - wonderful! Lenya can be friends! He helps many people. Margulix are. Misha loves Andrei Makarevich, Evgeny Grishkovets, Sergey Solovyov, but they have rare guests. In principle, in Moscow everything happens on the run. Maximum - a large crayfish pan is boiled, a couple of neighbors from our village are invited. And such real holidays, with a served table and with a bunch of dishes from quality products, I undress in Odessa, where we fly away from June to October. It was during these months that the husband works fruitfully there, but he also has time to rest. At leisure, you can read your favorite Chekhov or simply exciting detectives ... But what can be like his stylist, specifically, apparently ignores. "
In Odessa writes on schedule?
Natalia: "Yes. He goes back to the top of coffee, suffers ... and if the homemade begins to build, ignore us (for our lack, then for the presence), it means that the process is not bad. The irritability of the author, complaints that nothing happens - the first sign. But in the evenings, we choose to ventilate into our favorite restaurants: "Katran" at the 16th station, which serves fresh fish, in the beer restaurant in the Gorishada, to the "Dacha", in "Clara-Baru" ... and on the weekend, as a rule , We are leaving for a picnic for the city where there is no such amount of vacationers and water is cleaner. He also has time to be interested in the garden. We greatly grow peaches, apricots, pears, plums, apple trees. But Misha insisted on tomatoes, cucumbers and all sorts of greenery - we planted them, but you should carefully care for these cultures, as it turned out. My husband dreamed, so that someone else grune in the barn, but here I have already opposed. And at the end of the summer season we collect harvest - in every sense. As for literary work, Misha collects everyone in one of the September nights, we are going on Barza for the city, where the long table is covered, getting a huge pack of manuscripts from the portfolio and everything is read in public. Speeches usually pass with a bang. That's how a new program appears every year. "
"One radio station conducted a survey: from whom you would like to make offspring from celebrities? The husband took the first place and was terribly crushed. " Photo: Personal archive of Mikhail Zhvanetsky.
Odessa is famous for its unintentional humor. What is the mystery of this area, where can the seller and the waiter in the cafe can be cheerful?
Natalia: "I do not want to offend anyone, but for the most part it occurs on the basis of the wrong speech, where the Russian language, Ukrainian, Hebrew mixes ... And in some cases, indisputable, natural abilities. Specifically, Zhvanetsky absolutely paradoxical thinking, the original angle of view, and gives such results. He speaks seriously about everything. You will put it in a dead end, if you ask you specifically joke. Even how he says, sad, sad things that he puts on the table, for sure, if you read. A miracle is that when you listen to it, it is always opening and one hundred percent coincides with your thoughts. "
Somehow Mikhail Mikhailovich said that you do not carefully treat his work too carefully, do not admire every second. Today you corrected?
Natalia: "It is unlikely. It is physically impossible to permanently be delighted and trembling. I am busy with saucepans, child, mass of urgent trouble. Our cat, in the end. It is not always not always to switch to the role of a housewife to the role of an intelligent interlocutor. Sometimes I say: "At the moment I fry the cutlets. Here I will finish, then we will talk. " (Smiles.) It is clear that when it comes to conversation, I must be at the level. And when we go to visit in the evening, I should be secular, spectacular, dressed with taste. My mother should also be good. And girlfriend for my numerous environment. These are all the components of my life, which I must match. "
Zhvanetsky is not indifferent to the pet?
Natalia: "To the beasts at all. When the plots are going on the TV about how shelters of homeless animals are burned, hurt dogs, it turns off immediately, frustrated. Hunt hates - does not understand how to kill defenseless, small and fluffy. And our thick cat Maurice, too, Odessa, he loves. Although Maurice is fully deprived of any skills: he is lazy, falls from the windowsill, waving his chairs, climbing the tree only on the meter, with a screaming with his back in his blackberry, it turns out all the barns ... But he looked at his eyes, listens, With him you need to talk. And Misha constantly pins me: It seems only to him or me, too, that our cat still understands a lot. "
For many years, Zhvanetsky appears in the program from Andrei Maksimov "duty in the country", and, judging by the ratings, people trust him. He never had plans to go somewhere in power to change something?
Natalia: "Misha has an appearance. And he really never lies, including under my pressure. (Smiles.) Even if somewhere and afraid to tell the truth, says anyway. And on the premiere performances from friends, if he does not like something, he is not silent. And he does not scold, and so tortuously praises, and it becomes clear that everything is bad. That's how he walks everywhere and disappointed. So we have already lost half of the buddies. But as for politics, he is not a fighter. It will not be able to speak in debates, because if suddenly the opponent tells him in the fever, that he is a Jew, he had a bunch of women, Misha will be offended and go away. Protect yourself, keep the blow will not be able. Before him there should be some kind of security. In life it is me. So the policy is contraindicated to him. He is a writer, and in his place. "