Sergey Ugryumov is one of the most mysterious actors of our country. And not because it is a little known about him in addition, where he was born, he studied and what he has two sons, but because it is not clear, from which he is woven, what it is: hard, soft, sensitive or bridged with shell and always and always closed and everywhere restrained. Such and its heroes are ambiguous, leading double, or even a triple game, often just flourish. Details - in an interview with the magazine "Atmosphere".
"Sergey, at the very end of the season you played Higgins in the premiere of Oleg Tabakov's theater" My beautiful Lady. " Higgins, to put it mildly, not the most convenient person and a big egoist in communication. And you?
- Any talented person is characterized by some extravagant acts, and in general, talented people are usually inconvenient in communicating in ordinary household life. Of course he is an egoist. Again, as many talented, concentrated on something of one people. I always wonder what drives man. So, Higgins drives his business. And for me, work is the main priority. Of course, my close people suffer from it. And I can say about me that I am an egoist, sometimes to a greater extent, sometimes in a smaller. I struggle with this, but with varying success. (Smiles.) Our performance on which metamorphosis can happen to people who are somewhat cursed, or grace called love.
- "My beautiful lady" is another story of the teacher and the student. You also got into meetings with good directors and in the theater, and in the movie ...
- Yes, but most importantly - with partners. For me it is much more important. We talked with the director, and the further life of the play is our already our business, mine and partners, and on how we interact with each other, its success depends. And the cinema is a separate story.
- Are you easily obeying? The actor after all, the dependent person. As a rule, go for a director or like to offer your own, to hear your opinion?
- Still, in essence, more constructive people, I do not like to destroy. And most importantly - I love my profession, and she, in my opinion, deeply creative. Therefore, basically, I think it is necessary to follow the director.
- You worked with Sergey Ursulak in the films "Liquidation" and "Isaev". In my opinion, meeting with him is always joy and by the atmosphere on the site, and according to an excellent result ...
- Sure. Sergey Vladimirovich with deep respect refers to the acting profession and always knows what he wants. Therefore, I accept it with the selection of artists in one or another picture. And if he does not invite me to be filmed, I can never even think to take offense. But in the movie and from the director not all depends. There is an operator, installation ... not even that coat can spoil the case. Very much of success, and sometimes they are all unpredictable, as, however, in any art. Maybe everything, but the main thing will not happen. There is a lot of examples, as inverse, when nothing foreshadowed success, and he suddenly came.
"I called people not only laughter, but also tears. One-laugher I scared with a guinea pig, he was very afraid of her. And I was wondering his reaction"
Photo: Philip Reznik
- The formula for success is not completely impossible?
- She is not. Unfortunately, and maybe fortunately. When everything is born in the torment and suddenly it turns out, you have completely different sensations in contrast to those when successful. The surprise gives strong feelings.
- Doing the Theater Studio or by already entering the institute, did you represented yourself on stage or dreamed of a movie that basically also brings fame?
- It worried about me least. As a child, I was curious the feelings that I experienced, seeing how people react to my screaming. And here is the Bacillus, who got into me, thank God, I found an incarnation in the profession.
- You all started with children's draws. You are at school, even in kindergarten provoked guys in laughter. What did it give you, why did you do it?
- I could not understand these sensations, could not somehow formulate them for myself, why am I doing it. And by the way, I caused them not only a laughing reaction, but different emotions, including tears. In kindergarten, for example, I scared the align by a sea pork, he was very afraid of her. And his reaction was interesting to me. When it became an adult, of course, the internal "stop" was already included. In addition, he also got acquainted with the people who were thrown into the stage, and so, this way, it was all like to say Oleg Palych, seeded, that is, he sent to the right direction.
- When the artistic director of the theater studio "Romantic" Rimma Mikhailovna Taranenko advised you to enter the theater institute, did you immediately believe her?
- I did not even think. I was told: "Go go," and so simple and confident that even doubt did not arise, on what path to go on.
- Speaking on stage, you have already felt some success, popularity, maybe even among teachers?
- In our evenings, from the stage, being in some kind of image, I could afford a lot in relation to teachers. It was the first correlation of themselves with a way. And I stopped myself. So, probably, the most important thing was brought up, especially for people of art, a sense of measure, an understanding of where you can step over through some moral, ethical foundations, and where it is impossible. The teacher was sitting in front of me, but I had a defense - an image, a mask. And they understood that on stage I was not at all, although then I recalled my liberty on stage. (Laughs.) The moment of connection with the viewer, these emotions were something incredible to me. I could not then choose the wording to this sensation to this feeling, and it was a mutual interchange.
- You knew about the existence of the Schukinsky Tearal School and in Kazan. And it did not occur to the head that in Moscow, probably, there are more universities?
"No, I somehow immediately concentrated and grabbed for it, as for two fishing rods. At one, in Kazan, there was a bite, I pulled it out.
- It turns out, they did everything right, and in Moscow turned out to be soon anyway. Where and who do you want, have already understood?
- I did not think about anything about anything about anything. And I did not know anything. Received for the second year, to an additional set of MCAT studio. I do not really remember myself, but I had a mood - I will definitely go. The determination was huge. Probably, if it had not passed, and would take it on the third year, and then, because I already understood that it was mine. So successfully it happened that I was allowed to view to tobacco. The entire department was selected eight people, and two of them - I and Mariash Schulz - personally Oleg Palych.
- What impression left then from him, remember?
- He was all the time fixed somewhere. But, despite the fact that he was in motion, he was not difficult to stop and very carefully, in detail, though though to talk to a man completely unfamiliar to him. So it was with me. We just met him in the corridor. And later, neither his employment, nor the amount of responsibilities that he took, never interfered with him to see a man in man, no matter how difficult him. He always delve into the essence of the problem, and did it quickly, and instantly made a decision. It always admired me. And for a long time, until we have become closer, he was a celestial for me, which suddenly turned out to be near for some reason. Then I realized that he was still a wonderful organizer and a brilliant person with a strongest gravity: he took people to his orbit - and then they for a long time, one way or another, rotated next to him, continuing his work. And now it seems to be no one next to us, but all the same, no one has canceled the laws of inertia - and his business lives.
"Oleg Pavlovich Tobakov sometimes called me her son. This is a person who really means for me no less than parents"
Photo: Philip Reznik
- It was hard for you when he did not?
- And now it is hard, because when it leaves his main component from a dense space, this emptiness cannot immediately collapse, the hole is long as well. And the larger the scale of the person, the one is tangible. I think that this vacuum will be felt for a long time after his care.
- During your study, did you happen any problems, despair appeared?
- And who does not have them? Study I continue to this day. If you have written in the diploma - artist, it does not mean that you can do everything. You must, of course, be ready for everything and be able to be able to all, but in fact it comes with experience. In the theater you fall into another, not at all similar to the student team - and the new stage begins in life. And at the institute I was afraid every time, when Oleg Pavlovich came to the exam or it was necessary to show him some kind of work. Or when classmates were expelled. It seemed that it was unfair, and scarecrow, that and you could comprehend the same fate. Of course, then we did not understand what I meant to part with this or that student and what responsibility he took over if he left the man who was going to deduct. Therefore, there were also trembling, and the fear that has multiplied on the fear of the accuracy of the first steps in the profession, not always the lungs.
- And remember the first praise?
"I just did, there was the first show of independent work, and my Vasisuali Lohankin from the" Golden Calf "he inspired him. And me too. (Smiles.) More during his studies, he did not praise me so much.
- How did your parents treat your children's passion?
- Mom did not show out special emotions, encouraged my classes, was glad that I did not hang out on the street. But I can not say that she was happy from what I was doing in this circle. And dad did not mind. They were outraged only when I said that I would not go to a military school, but in theatrical.
- But did not stop you. In general, you could stop you?
"God knows him that they were then in their heads." At that time, our father and Father had such relationships that he understood: I already show signs of a man, that is, I am responsible for what was said, and if I take some decision, it means it's not just like that. And he respected with respect to my decision, but the mother was categorically against. She looked around him all the time, why he lets me. But the Father said: "Let them go, will spend money and return."
- I know that your dad was a military. And who worked Mom?
- dishwasher in a military hospital. But she, as a viewer, loved the movie and theater very much. And it was a very emotional person, she had everything close: and laughter, and tears.
- Thirty years have lost my father, mom even earlier. She managed to catch your first successes?
- Not. She knew that I was in Moscow, I work in the theater, I live in a hostel. The cinema in those years was not at all, and the first significant performance was "Bumbarash" ("Passion on Bumbarash". - Approx. Aut.), But they did not see it. Dad never seen me on stage at all. Some batch serials started, but he still rejoiced this, was such a bouncer (smiles), loved to praise me. When he stayed alone, he was hard for him, I began to throw some money to him, and he apparently realized that I had already gotten on my feet, and completely calmed down. Hope he was happy for me.
- Having reached the age of parents, do you learn them in yourself, in habit, in something else?
- Sure. How without it? I can not say specifically in what, but I find out.
- Did you say that Dad was strict, and how did you raise your children?
- Also. But with amendments to the fact that I felt in my childhood when I was punished, fullest injustice. And at some moments knew that as the father would not do.
- You are already teaching in college ...
"I am very skeptical about my teaching, and Oleg Palych said it." I agreed, because for the third time I was already awkwardly refuse. But "teaching" is strongly stated, because I have great employment in the theater now, and a lot of time you need to work with students. I share your experience, rather this can be called mentoring.
- How do you think the young generation of actors is the same as yours, or completely different?
- In some way they are similar, and in something there is a big difference. They have a bad fantasy, because they did not have to represent in childhood that the stick is a gun, they have pistols, and different. Namely, in childhood, the fanisy is born and the wealth of the inner world is laundered. They also - for the most part - childhood is secured, carefree. And they have a bad deal with communication. Correspondence, social networks ... For the theater, it is generally destructive, because here it is necessary to directly communicate. But they are much more mobile, consistency in something that we are in their years.
- erudite?
- As for this, I would argue, their erudition is rather superficial. But it is more not their fault, but parents. And huge hello to "clever" from the Ministry of Education, the Mountain reformers who were killed in the nineties, albeit an imperfect education system, but still bringing their results. And now, and thirty years are fighting, I can really offer anything.
- You somehow said that they had matured very early due to the fact that there were no parents. Already becoming an adult and twice with father, do you feel that you are not enough of them?
- Sure. While the parents are alive, you are a child. And as soon as they leave, you become the last in this queue. There is a growing up and understanding that you are no longer a boy and no one will call you. Although Oleg Palych sometimes called. (Laughs.) But he not only addressed me. This is a person who means for me really no less than my parents who brought me up to a certain point. Oleg Palych greatly influenced what was happening to me now, on my present life, as in many of us, his followers. That Volodya Mashkov is one of those.
- You worked with Vladimir Mashkov together and over the "Bumbarash", and then in the MHT over the performances "№13" and "№13d". But then he was not an artistic director. Now your relationship has changed?
- We recently worked on the "sailor silence" and now play together there. And have long been filmed in his film "Dad". I think Volodya has not changed much. No, of course, there are some changes, but anyone lives and changing. In something he became easier, in something more difficult. Somewhere I hold myself, somewhere, on the contrary, I say that I consider it necessary. In this sense, we have no problems.
- Have you been delighted when he headed the theater?
- Yes very. I think this is a good for our theater.
- What is happening with your movie now? Have interesting offers?
- Now there was a lot of theater. There are always plans in the movie, but they can break at any time. Therefore, I will not talk yet. Theater is a more solid thing. In the most difficult times, in the nineties, I remained in the profession only thanks to him. I already have this vaccination - existence without cinema. I understand that the theater is the harbor, in which I can wait for any dashing times.
"I need little in everyday life, I'm not a bald man, not fashionable, I don't know how to rest. Sometimes I like to eat delicious, but simple dishes"
Photo: Press Service Moscow Theater P / R O.Tabakova
- In the nineties, you have enough for a living in the theater or worked out somewhere?
- Student worked a lot, and in the theater - no longer. Not enough money, of course, but was only Santa Claus for the New Year.
- You can already choose projects in the movie only those that are interesting for you? Do not bother for money, pauses?
- Everything happens in every way. This is my profession. Of course, she should bring creative satisfaction, but if I see that I will not get it here, then the question arises about the fees, about material compensation. But in general, I need little in everyday life, I am not a bald man, not fashionable, I also don't know how to relax. Sometimes I like to eat delicious, but I like it when it is simple dishes.
- Someone from the actors like sit with the fishing rod, someone travels, and what about you with switching?
- If you manage, go to friends to friends to the Volga, just be out of Moscow. I traveled a lot with the theater. At first, all this was in the wonder, I also interested, but soon began to feel that in a week and a half I had already satisfied with your impressions and I want to go home.
- And in the homeland, in the Far East, have been long ago? There were no relatives left there?
- For a long time. There were just relatives left. This is in me in Kamyshin, where we lived later, no one no one. And in the Far East and the secondary brothers, and aunts, and the uncle is. We support relationships with them. I really want to go there. Simply no time, it is difficult to organize, you need a volitional solution.
- How do you support your nervous system? After all, the profession is so overlooking it ...
- contemplation. I like to watch. Behind people, nature, for all that is around me.