- This year, the legendary theater of the dolls named after Sergei Obratskova celebrates 90 years. And most Matra Sergey Vladimirovich exemplary in the summer of 2021 would be 120 years old. Let's remember your famous grandfather. It is said that his love for the doll began with tray, which he himself smeared from Paper-Masha. It's true? And did this doll really went with him on all the tours and was with him until the end of life?
- The very first doll, which has appeared, was called Bi-Ba. She gave him mom in childhood. With that, as he said, his novel began with the theater of dolls. A doll Trepa appeared later. It was the number of his solo concert. This little baby whom he ignited, sang him a lullaby, traveled the whole world with his grandfather. Sergey Vladimirovich spoke with a pan during the war in hospitals, traveled to him to the front. This doll is very famous.
- Trepa was really his talisman and was next to him until the end of his life?
- Probably, yes, because the grandfather played his solo concerts to almost the end of his life. He loved this doll very much, he really connected with her with her. Military stories are particularly touching, because he spoke with a pan in hospitals. He somehow said that he would perform in the ward, where two people would definitely survive, they were mortally wounded. He asked then: "Maybe you don't need to perform?" They answered what you need. He later wrote that he had never spoken in life for two, but never felt so necessary in his life.
- I heard that he spoke about this doll as the oldest child in the world ...
- Yes, the oldest child in the world. I took this doll in my hands many times, but as my grandfather worked, it did not work out from our artists. Santa had some amazing hands. He worked amazing.
- Is this doll alive still?
- Doll alive, yes! Its original is located in the theater Museum. But we still produced several such injections. Once we played a solo number, but he performed him not one person, but ten artists at the same time.
Ekaterina Obraznova
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- And what dolls did you play in childhood?
"I loved to fight in my childhood in my childhood, so I played in the doll at the Thai at home.
- Are you? Loved to fight?
- Yes, I was a boy. And I had the dolls that my parents gave me me. Then the German rubber puffs appeared. Here they had such dolls.
- What grandfather was at home?
"I never lived at him at home." He lived in his apartment, we lived in our. Grandpa, you know what was? Very busy. He was busy constantly. Therefore, we had a rule: the grandfather once a month and a half traveled to relatives. I remember, then my mother was commissioned to wipe the dust with the piano. He trampled everyone, and then someone in the apartment we stayed on a festive dinner. And as far as I remember, he always had a good mood. And if with him, someone began to complain, for example, on rainy weather, he said: "What is the weather? Rain went, I'll take an umbrella! Coldly - put on a fur coat, hot - rent a fur coat! " And he had a stunning sense of humor. I remember somehow he asked me: "Well, what do you give, so you threw smoking?" I'm right there: "Machine". He is without a pause: "smoke." (Laughs.)
- True, Stalin really loved the puppet theater of Sergey Obrazozov? What did he like best?
- Stalin himself was never a guest of the theater, grandfather spoke with numbers from his solo concert in large Kremlin teams, where Ruslanov and Many then celebrities appeared together with his grandfather. Stalin loved his grandfather's room very much, which was called Khabanner. There was even a case when Joseph Vissarionovich was late for the presentation. Having made his place, asked who spoke, he was told that samples. Then he said: "Repeat!" And grandfather performed twice.
- The samples were loved by the leader. What do you think, that is why no one has suffered from your family during repression?
- Yes, this is the most amazing thing that no one has suffered: neither the great-grandfather, who was an academician and Colonel-General, nor grandfather. Although there were such moments when it seemed that they would come. For example, only Grandfather and Yutkevich signed a letter in defense of Meyerhold. He constantly performed on these topics. In general, somehow carried.
Collection of theater troupe
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- I am saying that, perhaps, his beloved job was saved.
- Well, you know that Ruslanov did not carry past. And she, too, was the favorite Stalin.
- What dolls used in the theater to the legendary performance of the 1940th year "Magic lamp of Aladdin" on the play of Nina Hernet? After all, it was in him for the first time in the country began to play cinestic dolls.
- Used different dolls. Basically, gloves.
- It is true that it is because of the three-meter Ginn Kashkash, the biggest and terrible doll of the theater, the performance was designed for adolescents and adults, because the kids were afraid of terrible Ginn?
- He was generally designed for adults. There was still such a love story. And adults were happy to go to him. Then there was no sex in the country. (Laughs.) And the kids and now the same kids: someone is afraid, someone is not. But this is not just scary, it is spectacular and very beautiful. He really huge, hugs the palace.
- Most of the performances were designed for a children's audience: "By whining kettle", "funny dolls", "Aladdin's magic lamp", "Mowgli", "Cracker Gorbok" and others. Why, over the years, the repertoire has become diluted with "adults" - "extraordinary concert", "Divine Comedy", "Don Juan-76", "Mad Day, or Figaro's marriage"?
- The fact is that the "Magic Lamp of Alladina", the "King deer" appeared, because it was very new in Moscow. Sergey Vladimirovich always held his hand on the pulse, he was an innovator. He was not only a puppeteer, he was a person who attracted to himself. He was both a fighter for peace, and a fighter with anti-Semitism, one day he was asked to write a material in which he would condemn the discrimination against blacks. What the grandfather replied, they say, he believes that in our country there are discrimination against Jews, when it takes off with her, then he will think about blacks.
He also filmed documentaries. Therefore, it's a shame when they are talking about him only as a puppeteer. Of course, this is his main thing, but he and the romance sang, the release of records, fought for animals and so on. On his documentary film "Who is needed, this Vaska" has been educated the whole generation.
The play "The Magic Lamp of Aladdin" was designed for adults
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- For what exactly in 1946, Sergey Exellowov was awarded the Stalinist Prize and Medal "For Valiant Labor in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945"?
- a lot was done by him. Agitbrigada in Novosibirsk was prepared. He trained the fighters to play. There were many performances in hospitals. When the Germans stood near Moscow, he was with the artists on the front line. Right before the battle, they performed in front of soldiers. There are photos, there are fighters on them, who will soon go into battle, where, perhaps, their life will end.
- Why did the parody "extraordinary concert" of 1946 entered the Guinness Book of Records as the most popular presentation?
- Because this performance has played the greatest number of times in the world. And he looked at the greatest audience. And so far this is the most popular performance of the theater. Until now, he goes on tour abroad. He is in demand. In each month it is played twice. But also at the opening of the season, December 31, before the New Year, and at closing. Interestingly, the same spectators often come on December 31st. They, as I told me, this is how they love to celebrate the New Year. Come, they will burst and go there is a Salad "Olivier".
"You said" parody ", and the truth that the Ministry of Culture of the USSR did not want to show the play - supposedly did he fit the Soviet stage? And how did Sergei Vladimirovich come out of this situation?
- Yes, they said that this is not true about the Soviet stage. After all, at first the performance was called "Ordinary Concert". And the main thing is that there is no positive hero. And then grandfather stated that the concert would be called extraordinary, and he will lead this concert. And asked if his positive hero, his - the winner of the Stalinist Prize? And for some time he led this "extraordinary concert" instead of entertained.
A parody "Unusual Concert" of 1946 entered the Guinness Book of Records as the most popular view - and so far it is the most popular performance of the theater
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- And someone specifically offended from the artists?
- And from the artists who did parodies, no one was offended. Just recognized yourself. These were such collective images. Not an accurate portrait of some particular artist.
- How was the main character of the performance been born - unmatched enclosure of Edward Applubov? They say he had a prototype - Mikhail Garkavi famous entertainer?
- No, this is a collective image of several popular leading at the time. There was no one prototype.
- As it turned out, in your opinion, that Zinovy Gerdt, namely, his voice, made an applubov unforgettable?
- I think everything that happened to this performance, it turned out due to the fact that he was made very talented people. And no longer explain this phenomenon is impossible, except for talent, even the genius of some people. It is such a tenth in a dozen for many years ... The performance is kept in it and today.
- Where did Shareherzade of Stepanovna come from with his phrase: "I'm ready"?
- She played by my mother, Sergei Vladimirovich's daughter Obrazodov. And played her wonderful. Until now, the theater is believed that she most accurately uttered this phrase. (Laughs.)
- There was also the "Divine Comedy", as at that time released this performance?
- It was clear that it was a parody of the bosses, and only hidden God. Well, somehow passed.
- Who came up with a business card of the new theater building - a unique clock with crown dolls on the facade?
"This grandfather asked to decorate the facade of the theater building with an unusual watchmaking. Built from gray concrete, it looked rather gloomy. It was he who suggested the concept of tower hours, for the implementation of which the sculptors of Dmitry Shakhovsky and Pavel Shimes took. The hourly mechanism was made by Veniamin Kalmanson. So from the beginning of the 70s every hour shouts the rooster, and from one of the houses under the melody "in the garden, in the garden" the figure of a fabulous hero goes out in the garden. At noon and midnight, all 12 dolls come out of their doors at the same time.
- Previously, the rooster on the clock "Cookish" every hour, and even at night. Why in time for him installed a quiet night mode?
- He is now quacked. What is the silent night mode here with such a movement on the garden ring. (Laughs.) There is such a legend that at the beginning, as soon as the clock went, living next to Muscovites, they were tired of listening to the Crock Petush every hour, he pretended to sleep, so complaints were sprinkled to the organs. The clock was completed, and they had a daytime mode and a quiet night.
Legendary clock on the theater facade
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- And today at noon, and at midnight, when the most impressive spectacle takes place, the doors open the doors of all puppet houses, the crowd of viewers are going to the theater?
- Yes, going. Maybe not so big as before, but people are going with children, watching photographed.
- Where did Muscovites come around the concept of "Wolf Hour"?
- Now this concept is missing. In the USSR, the alcohol began to sell at 11:00. And the wine was not far from the theater. So, lovers of the "green snake" long before the discovery began to crowd at the store's doors, lined up and waited for eleven watches. The fact that the appointed time came, they reported the rooster and leaves the wolf with a knife from his house. Naturally, jokes immediately appeared about the fact that he is always ready to cut a snack, and at the same time this concept arose - "Wolf Hour".
- The truth is said that on December 16, 1970, a transport collapse had happened in Garden, when hundreds of citizens first saw this wonderful attraction.
- Well, not a collapse, there were so many cars then among citizens. But the fact that the machines at first stayed next to the clock and standing for a long time, this is a fact. Then because the parking was not forbidden. (Laughs.)
- How are the traditions of the theater who created your grandfather are preserved today?
"Grandfather said very interestingly:" Where the traditions are alive, there are dead ideas. " Just his ideas are so good that we cannot refuse them. They are such an eternal tradition. Tradition to try as much as possible, as talented. As far as possible, stretching to the top - to the "unusual concert".