Honored Artist of Russia Igor Gordin is known primarily as a theater actor. He is a laureate of several prestigious premiums - "Seagull", "Golden Mask" - and recently received the International Prize Stanislavsky for the work of recent years. The TV viewer knows him in such shows as "Schedule of Fate", "Moscow Twilight", "Heavenly Court", but Gordin is removed. Those who do not go to the theater at all, associate his last name with the TV presenter of Yulia Little, in marriage with which the actor lives for many years. Igor Gennadyevich himself - a man closed, the interview gives little. Even the son Andrei says that "Dad is a mystery." We tried to slightly raise the veil of this mystery in a conversation with the magazine "Atmosphere".
"Igor, I looked at the date of your birth and was surprised that you, it turns out that such an adult." When you are rare, once again make sure that life goes too fast. Do you have such a feeling that some fifty years have been going somewhere?
- I appeared very late on the theater, so I was listed for a long time in young artists. At twenty-eight years I came to the Tyuz. Well, of course, everything happens faster and faster, but so that these years have passed unnoticed, I have no such feeling. Every year it goes into growth. Until. So I would like to some age to go up, and then already - from the fair to the fair, as they say. (Smiles.) While I try to use the time to maximize. The farther, the more I feel that its value is increasing. This year will be twenty-five years of my activity, so I'm leaving for a creative pension, because a quarter of a century in the Tyaz is equal to the retirement age, as in ballet and circus. (Smiles.) From Soviet times it was thought so, and it is still considered that the Tyuz is such a theater, where one to seven.
- Tell us about the premiere of "Variations of the Secrets", which you play for a couple with Valery Barinov. What is the drama of your hero?
- This is a conversation about the love of two men to one woman. For one love - the subject of his love, and for my character love - his ego. One wants to give, the other - just get. The drama of my hero is that he does not want to give away. Or can not. And therefore refuses passion, from the vague, which happened to him. As a creative person, a writer, he says: "I could not do anything else, I could not write, I could only think about her." The intrigue is that this woman died ten years ago, and he, not knowing about it, rewritten all these years with her, every day poured the soul, not knowing that her husband answers him.
Igor's childhood has passed in St. Petersburg, and he admits that it is still not used to Moscow rhythm of life.
Photo: Personal archive Igor Gonde
- Did you get a lot of you for your hero, what maybe, and did not assume?
- There is a twenty-minute monologue in the play, where my hero says how he met this woman, and how it was captured, and how he came in the end to the fact that he could not live without her. Naturally, there are some intimate things in themselves to open and get out of themselves: passion, sensuality that wake up in my hero. Although in each role, one way or another, you have to do it. Gurova in the "lady with a dog" love overtakes as Kara, and Svidrigaylov's feelings in "Crime and Punishment" - this is also a passion, albeit cynical. Between them, all many common.
"I recently read from Balzak that" love, resting on low-lying feelings, does not know pity. " Do you agree with this?
- Apparently, yes, if we talk about passion.
- What do you think people are more endowed with low-lying feelings than true love?
- True love is a gift. And she is little given. People are essentially all the egocentrics. Give it much more difficult than taking. To accept, you do not need a lot of mental effort, but to give - requires a lot of work, it is like an existence in marriage.
"Jealousy is a common feeling, and I do not believe when a person talks about himself:" I'm not jealous. "
- But there are passionate jealies. And there is jealous. Jealousy - Feeling Animal, Reflex. When someone tries to put an eye on your woman, this reflex involuntarily turns on. Another thing is that it is possible to reach the extreme. Jealousy - a strong feeling, and the head turns off. I did not have such outbreaks. It is necessary to control yourself.
Concert in the Tyutov camp, summer of 1983. With some of these guys, the actor is still friendly
Photo: Personal archive Igor Gonde
"It seems to me that no marriage do without jealousity, no matter how strong it is." In your creative piggy bank there are some secrets, techniques that you apply to yourself and which could Share as a good advice?
- No secrets and can not give advice. It depends on one and from another person and how can the council be given right now? For example, I am introvert, everything in myself I save, rarely blow up, and if this happens, then inside. And the wife, Julia, Extravert, is, on the contrary, everything makes out. Each person passes his way, and no recipes. The only thing I can say, marriage requires effort, mental work. Sometimes it is necessary to infringe a little, somewhere to give way, somewhere to accept, somewhere to help. It is impossible to demand attention to yourself all the time.
- Have you come to this in the process of marriage or are you in essence of yours?
- I have this first and only experience. I did not have another marriage and other long-term relationships, I did not compare nothing with. But I got married late, at the thirty-two years, was already a formed person, without youthful maximalism, overestimated expectations and requirements. From this side I was easier. And on the other, it is more difficult, because there were already established habits and it turned out difficult to reformat.
- You say, you need to control yourself. To what limits? If the situation is causing, will you exit from under control?
- Probably. In all life, five to seven times it happened. I remember, I was still a schoolboy, I had to fight back from several people who attacked me. I gave it worthy. In addition, I'm an introvert, I am also a calf, and if I have a very long experience, blow up - and then bring everyone. In principle, I try to protect my peace, and if irritation is copied, it does not bring to the explosion, steam to let down, somehow express your discontent or ironize the situation to do not come to the critical point.
Unlike his brother, "Lyrics" his sister Tatiana chose the earthly profession, she teaches mathematics
Photo: Personal archive Igor Gonde
- Your mother's mother-in-law Valentinovna Alentova is also introvert. Julia told that after a quarrel she could not talk long. Do you have such a thing?
- Yes. (Smiles.) In this sense, we are very similar.
- Apparently, constancy is your distinctive feature. You talked in one of the interviews that still be friends with those who dealt with you in youth in the theater studio.
- Yes. I do not know how others, and I personally hard and hard to find new friends. And those with whom I grew five years, from fifteen to twenty, it was the happiest time, and the team in which we existed was quite unique, so friendship is preserved not only with me, but also between them, too.
- And how do these guys have a life formed who they became?
- Differently. Actrators few people became. In the theater of youth creativity, in Tyute, as we called it, of us, because they did not grow artists, but people creative. In addition to acting, each of us mastered some profession of theatrical craft. This is a pedagogical technique of director Matthew Dubrovina, the founder of the tute, which, by the way, exists so far. Today, you as a working scene mounted and install the scenery, and tomorrow as an actor go on the stage. Education of creative labor. Very good people are obtained in such a team. True, then it was hard in real life.
- Why? After all, so much useful skills gave?
- Because we existed in a separate world, the best than the environment. In an idealized little. We existed there without expecting a blow to the back. And this was the deaf time of stagnation, from 1979 to 1985, and in memories it remained as the most joyful.
Igor and Julia were able to test their feelings for strength. Already more than twenty years
Photo: Personal archive Igor Gonde
- You Dubrovin said that you need to go on, to theatrical?
- No, everyone decided for himself, because the profession of the actor depends not only on talent, but from luck, from your performance. I would not say anyone: go. There is also a saying: if you can not be an actor - do not be them. Work is very heavy. You must get emotions all the time. If your ration-rational fate has developed, then happiness, and if it did not work out and you stayed somewhere on the side of the road and you cannot implement yourself creatively, it is from the inside of corrosive. And it is very hard. Acting profession sacrificial.
- And you studied at the Polytechnic Institute, but still taught acting skills in Tyte?
- I tried. All graduates finish the studio and a year or two or three are kept by public teachers. I also offered to take the studio.
- On the public basis?
- No, we paid a little. But it turned out to be a pretty heavy experience. After all, I had no skills to work with children of twelve-thirteen years. They accounted for something all the time to entertain and entertain. Then I left there and soon after that I left Moscow.
- In his youth, everyone needs good advisers. Here you studied five years in the polytechnic, and still rushed to your dream. Was not a next adult who could give advice?
- Parents said that you need to get a higher education. I thought the theater would remain as a hobby. But, by the way, after the end of the studio, we tried to create our team with the studios - and there were three performances. I am devoted all free time. After the third year, purposefully went to Lero Dodin. And did not do. Then he decided to join the polytechnic, and after the fourth year to enter the theater. But the next year they recruited directories, and I went to Moscow.
Two children grow up in the family: Andrei Son and Daughter Taisiya. Senior - Student Theater Institute, he continued acting dynasty
Photo: Personal archive Igor Gonde
- Sergey Gerasimov spoke to his disciples that it is possible to marry or get married in life, and get married again - not scary. The worst thing in life is to disperse with his vocation.
- Right. But this is very short, when you have to catch to grasp. And young people are always infantile, in seventeen years they want to have fun and relax. Only parents can direct. Girls are easier, they have a way out - family.
- And if it does not work? How many beautiful educated girls - and lonely.
- And still. There are no such exit men. For them, the family is not self-realization. They need to deal.
- Your son is already studying at the MCAT Studio School. Andrei since childhood wanted to become an actor?
- No, I decided at the last moment. The choice of profession is a hard matter, especially for boys. But Andrei has always fascinated the cinema, he wanted to be a film director. From Julia, he was told that the director's profession still demands life experience. They advised: "Let's first get the acting education, you will have an idea of this environment, you will understand something for yourself." Andrei is already on the third year.
- And what does he say, are his hopes justify?
- Do not regret. He understands that he needs it, and gains experience. Let's see what will happen next. It's not a fact that it becomes an actor, maybe it will go to the director, there is someone as they say. (Grandfather Andrei - Filmorezhsar Vladimir Menshov. - Approx. Auth.)
Family assembly: Actor with children, his wife Julia, the mother-in-law faith Alert and Test Vladimir Menshov
Photo: Personal archive Igor Gonde
- Taisiya has already decided on who to become?
- Daughter has not yet formed, she has a period of growing up. In the acting side she does not look very much. Rather, we will send it towards journalism. From Yulia, she has the ability to formulate their thoughts and write. From me - perseverance in achieving the goal. Sleep does not fall, while the lessons do not learn everything. I, too, always tried to do everything in advance, keep nothing for later. Andrei was not so. But with these gadgets so hard to take some of them serious. Now from Tasi is required to at least read.
- Does not want?
- None of the teenagers want to read. The son came to this, and before he said, why do I know everything. Why learn? You just need to start making movies. Tarantino has never studied anywhere. It took time to realize.
- Grandfather with his authority can help in raising, advice to give or not interfere with your personal relationship with children?
- Vladimir Valentinovich is busy. But he comes to Andrei for all exams in the institute, follows his success. Can take it with me on the premiere in the movies. Our grandfather and grandmother (Vera Valentinovna Alentova) are actively and work a lot, they will not throw out grandchildren.
- Who helped you raise them? Your parents?
- No, my parents live in St. Petersburg. I had to take a nanny. It was hard, but somehow twisted.
In the historic drama "Cromov"
Photo: Shot from the movie "Cromov"
- You have a native sister. What does she do?
- Tatyana teaches mathematics, she is a well-deserved teacher of Russia. Here, please, she vocation, from childhood he was fond of the subject, and they had a very good teacher of mathematics. From her class, several mathematics teachers came out. This is how the teacher's personality personality can affect the child. The title Honored Teacher meets, by the way, less often than the Honored Artist.
- Are you friendly with her?
- In childhood, not very, the difference between us is five years old, as in our children. I was fifteen, she was ten, and friendship did not work. And then I went to Moscow. When Tatiana married, his son gave birth to a son and I had a family, we got together.
- She comes from St. Petersburg to your premiere?
- I come to tour. Tatiana became such a theater. I advise her what to go, and now it is her favorite leisure. She always waits me with impatience, so that I brought any play. But recently, touring in St. Petersburg has become rare, unfortunately.
- Julia in one of the interview said, which represents himself and you at leisure, already when you are on pensions walking in Jurmala on the seashore. Do you have a cottage there?
- Flat. Julia infected in the course of life with me by the climate. She loves south, heat, tan, and for me it is painful. I also sit in the room usually, while the heat does not fall, and then we take a walk somewhere. We began to look for some kind of way out, and an idea arose to buy an apartment in Jurmala. Julia now she loved her very much, because rest there is calm and climate too. Good switch after Moscow. But we do not have a beach holiday there, and the forest, bike. For a beach holiday, Spain is more suitable. But with our friends, the most that I have since the times of the theater studio, we go to Finland for a week every year. The climate is as soft as in Latvia, on the seashore of the cottages. All come with children, thirty man. We live the commune, prepare at all, eat together, and then everyone diverges in their interests: who is in the forest, who is fishing, who play volleyball or badminton. Every year ten years in a row in August, we cut a week for this holiday in August. And although Julia says every time: we do not know whether we work, our shooting is still coming. This is the charge of good energy for the whole year.
In the popular television series, "Heavenly Court" Igor played the Inquisitor Alex
Photo: Frame from the TV series "Heavenly Court"
- With Julia, you have a relationship with the fact that you have learned to learn it to play billiards. This is such a quiet, slow game, and impuditly, it seems to me that it is very gambling.
- Any game gambling. And chess? Two people sit and think. Billiards - a sports game, so excitement and satisfaction, and the joy of what everything works and may, depends on your personal qualities. Once a year somewhere on vacation, we still play. And Tasya is already might of Mamu beats in billiards.
- You are together for twenty years. Julia told about your break, which occurred many years ago, and admitted that it was for her very useful experience. She was able to reconsider his ambitions. And you?
- It was a hard experience in fact. But he helped somehow look at the situation in the family and begin to appreciate the relationship, every minute, living together. When you lose, then you understand the value of loss. Already ten years have passed, all smoothed time.
- Do you have an open house, do you like to take?
- Now, in my opinion, you do not go to visit, found in a cafe, in a restaurant. I come to the native Petersburg - I go to visit there. These traditions are still preserved.
- Are you not accustomed to Moscow?
- Accustomed, but I don't care in St. Petersburg. I need once a month or two come there and somehow go out. In Moscow, work, and all the time exist in such a rhythm, there and here, and only at home you come to myself. And Moscow sama itself. And before, it was also when I came to the capital and went out on the Leningrad Station, immediately got into the stream of people who carried me. And in St. Petersburg, the power rhythm of life. And in Jurmala is the same.
In the role of Ganin in the painting "Dubrovsky"
Photo: Frame from the movie "Dubrovsky"
- I love you very much on the screen, and, of course, like your fan, I want to see you more often ...
- And I do not really love myself on the screen (smiles), there are several of my on-screen work, to which I am tolerant. Unfortunately, I refuse to filming, because there is no time at all. Now I have four theater. And when little time, then more carefully start to select suggestions, because you need to understand what time to spend time and give the last forces.
- This year you have two projects. One - "coach", and the director Danil Kozlovsky. Do you trust the young master?
- There is an episode. We met the Danie on the Dubrovsky film. Then he accidentally met on the street, and he said: "Come." According to the script of the film, this episode is very important, so I agreed.
- The second project "Intercessors." Duration of 1966. Retro. You do not remember this time, you were only a year. And I remember, so I will look with the addiction.
- Okay. I have a negative role there. Something often I only have such characters: all sorts of reptiles, spies. Apparently, time came. (Laughs.)