Olga Luka - Woyankha Sayansi Yachipatala, mlangizi poyambitsa atsogoleri, ndiye kuti atsogoleri atsogoleri atsogoleri atsogoleri atsogoleri achipembedzo ndi kuphunzitsa. Cholinga chake ndi akatswiri ake ndi umunthu wake, ufulu wake wamkati komanso kudziwonetsa.
Chimodzi mwazinthu zazikulu ndikutanthauzira gulu la mtsogoleri ndi kuzindikira mavuto akulu, chifukwa chomwe mtsogoleri atha kuthana ndi vuto lililonse.
- Olga, komabe, choyamba, choyamba, chindikirani gawo la utsogoleri. Kodi izi zikutanthauza chiyani - kukhala mtsogoleri?
- Pansi pa mawu akuti "atsogoleri" sindikutanthauza anthu omwe akwanitsa kuchita bwino ndi mphamvu kapena boma, ndipo anthu adapatsidwa chikhalidwe cha moyo wamphamvu pogwiritsa ntchito anthu ena komanso zomwe zikuchitika. Sinthani dongosolo lomwe lilipoli likupita patsogolo. Awa ndi anthu omwe amakhala ndi zovuta kwambiri samagwera muzovuta, koma mosiyana, amaganiza mwachangu ndikupeza njira yotulukirapo. Awa ndi anthu omwe azolowera kuti onse atembenukira. Pafupifupi onsewa akwanitsa kuchita bwino pantchito yawo ndipo akwanitsa kudzitsimikizira okha kuti amatha kuthana ndi mayesero ndi zovuta zosiyanasiyana. M'moyo, amangodalira okha, kuwonjezera pa zimagwiritsidwa ntchito pothandiza ena.
Koma ena mwa iwo ndi atsogoleri a iwo amene adzikakamiza kuti akhale "ngwazi za tsiku," popanda chilengedwe. Awa ndi gulu loyamba la atsogoleri. Amakonda ntchito za mtsogoleri omwe ali ndi vutoli. Koma, popanda kuthana ndi ntchitoyi, adapulumuka poyankha monga fiasco wamoyo wonse, ndipo osazindikira kuti sizingatheke kumanga chatsopano, zomwe zimatsogolera anthu omwe ali ndi bizinesi yawo - izi si maluso onse. "Akapolo" awa sanamvetsetse kuti sanathane ndi gawo la mtsogoleriyo chifukwa anali oyipa, koma chifukwa anali osiyana. Kupambana kwawo kulibe pano. Kenako zovuta zimabwera. Samamva chisangalalo chilichonse, osafunitsitsa kubweretsa china chake kuntchito zawo. Palibe chikhumbo cha maphunziro atsopano, ndiye kuti, omwe nthawi zambiri amakhala akumva. Zochitika za anthu otere ndi ofanana ndi pie-see. Kusanjikiza kwakukulu ndi kutopa komanso kuuma kwake. Chotsekera kwambiri ndi mainchesi pamaso panga ndi mkwiyo.
Gwirani ntchito ndi anthu oterewa ndizovuta kwambiri. Anthuwa nthawi zambiri amakhala ovuta kwambiri komanso akudziwa pang'onopang'ono kuti banja ndi mabanja sizidzafa zikafa ngati atasiya kuwamba.
M'malo mwake, anthu omwe amagwira ntchito mu bizinesi imeneyi amakhala ndi mwayi watsopano, mwayi watsopano, ngati mutu umakhala wokha amene angasangalale nayo ndipo akufuna kupita patsogolo. Atsogoleri a atsogoleriwo adzatsegulira mwayi wochotsa katundu woyipa komanso wopanda tanthauzo ndikusankha tanthauzo lake.
- Kodi mukuwalangiza anthu oterowo omwe amakhala ndi maudindo akuluakulu, kusiya kugwira ntchito ndikuchita zomwe zingachitike. Ndipo izi sizowopsa? Kupatula apo, mutha kudzitaya.
- Posachedwa, ziwerengerozi zidazindikirika, malinga ndi momwe kuchuluka kwakukulu kwa mtima mwa anthu kumachitika usiku Lolemba Lamlungu. Izi zikusonyeza kuti munthu amene adakumana ndi vuto la mtima amawopa sabata latha kuti apite ku ntchito yosakondedwa, kuti ukhale ndi udindo ndipo katundu amene salinso ndi mphamvu. Kuyambira chizolowezi changa ndikuwona kuti anthu akuvutika ndi zomwe amachita ngati sizibweretsa chisangalalo, sasangalala nacho.
Chifukwa chake, anthu awa amabwera kwa ine kuti awapangire malangizo ndi kundiuza kuti: "Ndilibe mphamvu, palibe chikhumbo chofuna kugwira ntchito, sindimasangalalanso ndi ntchito." Kenako tikambirane, chifukwa chake adapita kumapeto akufa, kambiranani zomwe zosankhazo, koma zomwe zingamubweretsere nthawi zonse.
- Funso likubwera: Utsogoleri ndi mphatso yapadera yomwe siyipatsidwa kwa aliyense kapena china?
- Izi mosakayikira ndi mphatso yapadera. Chifukwa chake, ndikufuna kunena za anthu omwe adadzipereka ndipo sanalandire mphatso yawo ya utsogoleri. Titha kunena kuti anthu awa adalandira utsogoleri Dar ndi chilengedwe, koma pazifukwa zosiyanasiyana sizinachilimbikitse. Izi zimachitika kawirikawiri. Anthu omwe adapereka komwe adapita, pamlingo umodzi kapena wina akufuna kuchita bwino. Koma kukwera kwake kumene kumabwera pa kupambana kwawo, zinthu zakuthupi zinthu zimachitika, sharper zimasoweka vuto.
Sikuti nthawi zonse anthu amamvetsetsa kuti ndi. Nthawi zina zimawoneka kuti kusapeza bwino kumachitika chifukwa chakuti sakuyamikiridwa mokwanira kuntchito, kapena chifukwa cha ovomerezeka awo, abwanawo samawapatsa ufulu wokwanira kuzindikira. Nthawi zina amakhulupirira kuti adatembenuka pafupi ndi kampani yomwe amagwira ntchito. Ena akufuna chifukwa chothandizira pabanja - anayamba kutsimikizira kuti izi zikuchitika chifukwa cha kusakondana ndi anzawo. Nthawi zina zimayamba kusudzulana. Koma makamaka sasangalala ndi iwo eni. Chifukwa posalimbana ndi mphatso yanu. Amakonda kutengera zofunikira.
- Kodi ndizotheka kunena kuti kusakhutira kwa anthu otere kumachokera kuti pali zokhumba zosatheka?
"Nthawi zonse ankalankhula ndipo ndidzanena kuti ndi zonena za munthu wokhala ndi moyo, kufunitsitsa kukwaniritsa kena kake, kudikirira kuchokera ku moyo wowonjezereka, ndipo sindikuwona cholakwika ndi izi. Koma munthu akapanda kugwiritsa ntchito mphatso yake ya uTyo, zofuna zake zimasandutsa china chopweteka, chosatetezeka. Muyenera kuyang'ana chifukwa chomwe chinachitikira. Chifukwa chiyani pali zonena, ndi maluso ndi zizolowezi zokwaniritsa cholingachi - ayi.
Atsogoleri osazindikira oterewa ndi ofunika kudalira mphamvu zawo, ndipo iyi ndi imodzi mwazinthu zotha kuwerenga, mutha kuyika matabwa akuluakulu ndikuwafikira.
- Kodi ndi mavuto ati omwe amabwera mwa iwo omwe adalandira mphatso ya utsogoleri, anamupanga, kupeza zotsatira zapamwamba? Kodi chimawalepheretsa kukhala osangalala?
- Mtundu wachitatu, mtsogoleri wowononga ndiye anthu amene atenga mphatso ya utsogoleri wawo ndikugwiritsa ntchito kuti awonongeke. Izi zili ndi mphatso, koma funso lonse motsogozedwa ndi veti lamphamvu. Awa ndi anthu omwe adalimbikitsa utsogoleri wamphamvu, koma kuyambira atakhala ndi zaka zobadwa, zomwe adakumana nazo zoyipa, chiwawa, manyazi, chinyengo. Sanangopulumuka, anayamba kuchenjera. Mtsogoleri wamtunduwu amapeza zolinga zake zakunja, chifukwa zimakhala zamphamvu kwambiri, zimakhala ndi machenjerero, anzeru. Sikuti mtsogoleri wotere sazindikira kuwononga ndi zoipa zomwe amachita. Nthawi zambiri amakhulupirira kuti kuchita zachiwawa kunali kofunikira kwambiri. Pamtima ya zinthu zawo nthawi zonse amanama, mphamvu yokoka, kuwopseza. Koma ndalama kapena kutchuka kapena kutchuka, kapena chitetezo chake chomwe chingawapatse mwayi wachisoni. Amathamangitsidwa ndi mithunzi yakale, kulikonse kukawona kuperekedwa, chinyengo, kupanda ulemu. Anthuwa anapulumuka chiwopsezo chowononga kwambiri ngati mwana. Valani patitinaka patitionani moyo, khalani ndi chidaliro.
Tsopano asiya kudikira china chake chabwino. Kuzama kwa moyo wawo kumabweretsa mantha komanso ludzu lokhazikika lobwezera. Kuchokera apa, cholinga chawo chodzalankhulidwa ndi anthu, chigonjetso ku mtengo wonse, chiwonongeko panjira yake, ndi iwo eni. Palibe zitsanzo za atsogoleri oterowo m'mbiri yathu. Zachidziwikire kuti zaka zingapo zapitazo ku Europe, m'bungwe lalikulupo panali mutu womwe unali mutu womwe unabweretsa ntchito yake kuti adziphe, ndipo sanamve kuti ndi wolakwa. Kwa iye, anthu adagwiritsidwa ntchito.
- Kukhala woona mtima, sindingagwire ntchito ndi munthuyu, osakondwa kwambiri kuthana ndi mtundu wotere. Monga katswiri, mumalowa bwanji pamenepa?
- Ine sindikufuna kukhala pamalo a psychotherapist akugwira ntchito ndi "Hitler" wotsatira ndi makonzedwe ankhondo ndi chidziwitso chatsopano ndi luso, poyamba osathamangitsidwa mumikhalidwe yakuya ya umunthu wake.
Osadzitsimikizira kuti, mtsogoleri wotere adzagwiritsa ntchito mwayi watsopano kuti apititse patsogolo pakhunzenon zoyipa mkati mwake. Udindo wanga ndi ukadaulo ndikupewa izi.
Kuwonetsa Utsogoleri Wowonongeka "Kuchokera mkati", ndimayamba kugwira ntchito ndi makasitomala oterowo, ndikuwunikira kuwonongeka ndi ngozi yomwe amakhala ndi moyo wawo wonse. Ndipo timapitanso patsogolo ngati angakhale olimba mtima kuti asinthe paradigm iyi.
- Kodi pali mtsogoleri weniweni yemwe amatsogolera anthu molondola, samapangitsa munthu kudzipha, amakhala ndi chikondi komanso ulemu kwa ogwira ntchito ake, ndipo akumva ku malo ake. Kodi munthu ayenera kuvutikira chiyani?
- Pali. Uyu ndiye mtsogoleri wolenga. Anthu omwe amasangalalabe kuti azitha kutsogolera moyo wawo komanso kupereka mphatso zawo. Anachita bwino kwambiri, adadutsa mayeso, ndalama, kuthekera. Ndipo pakati pa moyo adabwera kudzakumana ndi mavuto awo omwe akupezeka. Ichi ndiye vuto laudindo komanso ufulu wamkati. Afuna kusiya china chake pambuyo pawo, luso lawo, njira yabwino kwambiri m'moyo. Koma atachita bwino, amanga zomwe akufuna kuti amange, adatuluka chifukwa cha zoletsa zawo zamkati, mantha awo omwe anali osazindikira, omwe ndi oletsedwa kukhala achimwemwe, amadziletsa kukhala osangalala. Anthu oterewa ayenera kumvetsetsa pakapita nthawi - ndiye kuti mfundo yake ndi iti, ngati mukumva kuwawa kwake ndipo musasangalale? Ndikofunikanso kuwafotokozera kuti zoyambira zilizonse zili ndi malire ndipo muyenera kusiya kugwira ntchito kumapeto kwa luso lanu la anthu. Muyenera kuphunzira kupuma, kusintha, ndipo ndizotheka ngati ayamba kudalira antchito awo, kuti aphunzire momwe angagawire ulamuliro moyenerera. Mtsogoleri wotere amakhala ndi mavuto pang'ono ngati amawonjezera maphunziro ake amunthu ndipo amapeza chida champhamvu kuti amvetsetse.
"Zikuwoneka kuti pafupifupi aliyense angavomereze kuti alandire kuchokera ku chilengedwe monga mphatso monga mphatso monga mphatso monga momwe utsogoleri umakhala wabwino kwambiri.
- gwiritsani ntchito utsogoleri ndikukhazikitsa mphatsoyi - zinthu zosiyana zonse. Munthu amatha kusankha mphatso yake kapena kukana. Ngati munthu amatha kuwulula ndi kuzindikira utsogoleri wake, moyo wake udzadzazidwa komanso waphindu, ndipo ntchitoyo ibweretsa chisangalalo chachikulu komanso chisangalalo. Munthu akakana mphatso yake, ngakhale osadziwa, kapena sangamulandire iye, amadzitengera yekha. Kenako mphatso ya utsogoleri imakhala themberero, vinyo wamkati, womwe umakhala ndi mavuto komanso kusungulumwa.