Alexey Barash yari asanzwe ari intwari ya "ikirere" hashize imyaka ine. Ariko muri iki gihe yari afite ibyabaye byahinduye ubuzima. Mu gitondo cyo ku ya 4 Gicurasi 2018, yumvaga afite kimwe cya kabiri cy'umubiri aravunika. Byari ubwonko, bukurikirwa nundi. Gusa igitangaza cyakijije umukinnyi mubikorwa bikomeye cyane. Agarutse ku rubuga rw'amasasu, amusanga - Umukinnyi wa Umukinnyi Alexander Bogdanov. Umwaka umwe, barashyingiranywe. Kubyerekeye ibi nibindi bintu byinshi - mugihe cyakinyejana cyakinyamakuru.
- Alexey, wavuze ko nyuma yicyo kintu kibi cyahuje ubuzima. Ushaka kuvuga iki?
- byabaye hafi mirongo ine n'umwe. Yamaze gutekereza ko ikibazo cyo hagati cyambukira hagati, ariko ... kandi igihe cyabaye, nasubiwemo gusa, nahanaguwe rwose. Nibyiza rwose, niko byari bimeze kubitekerezaho, kuba irungu byuzuye. Nahagaritse gushyikirana hafi nabantu bose, kuko ntinumvaga nuburyo bwo kuganira nabana, ababyeyi, inshuti. Yamaze amezi ane. Ariko natangiye kubona ibintu byoroshye: Ijuru, ibiti, ikirere kirahinduka - nsanga ntiyishimiye rwose, umunezero, mu ijambo, bishimishwa n'ubuzima. Mu gufatanya gukusanya New Alexey.
- Nuko wahindutse kuruta?
- Oya, inzira. Byakoreshejwe guhindukirira Gypsy Imbere no kumwenyura, bisa naho umuntu wisi n'umucyo - none ndakinguye, mbogamiye, kuva kubantu banyitayeho kandi baranshimishije kandi baranshimisha kandi baranshimisha . Ariko igihe cyo gusubira muri societe ntikirarangira, hariho ibihe byinshi bidakoreshwa. Muri iki gihe, ndavugana n'ibice by'ubuzima bwashize, hafi y'urugo rukuru rw'abantu nasanze hafi, mpagarika kunshimisha.
"Igihe byagenze, nasubitswe gusa, narabyimbye. Ntabwo ari igitero. Byari biteye ubwoba. Byari bijyanye nibyo ugomba gutekereza, kuba wenyine"
Ifoto: Vladimir myshkin
Ati: "Ntabwo rero wavuganye amezi ane ndetse nababyeyi banjye, nubwo nyuma yigihe gito natangiye gukora ?! Kandi ninde wagushyigikiye, yafashaga gukira? Anna Vorkueva yari he, aho wari uri mu mibanire?
"Ibintu byose byabaye, Ana yari iruhande rwanjye, kandi yakoze umuntu muto, agaragaza impuhwe zanjye, akifasha cyane muri kiriya gihe, kuko nari meze nk'umwana wavutse. Yagerageje gusobanura ababyeyi bose kandi ashimangira ko bataje, icyiza, nubwo rusanzwe rwihuta hano. Abantu benshi barahamagaye, ariko i mu buryo bw'umubiri ntibushobora gushyikirana, bityo twahagaritse terefone yanjye. Muri rusange, Ana nasuzuguye ibintu byose kugirango nshobore gukira neza. Kandi ndamushimira cyane.
"Kuki watandukanije, umaze kurokoka ibihe bigoye cyane?"
"Ntekereza ko yamaze kureba ayo mahano yambayeho." Nari nzi hafi ukwezi mu bitaro, kandi yashoye imbaraga nyinshi muri njye, ariko afite isuku amarangamutima menshi, birashoboka, ntashobora kubyihanganira. Ndamusobanukiwe. Hariho ibintu byinshi bitandukanye, kandi amaherezo twafashe umwanzuro ko dukeneye gutandukana.
- Kandi ibyiyumvo byawe noneho ntibyanyuze? N'ubundi kandi, niba iki cyemezo cyahitamo, noneho kubwawe gishobora guhinduka?
- Ndatuye, ubanza byari bigoye kubifata, bidashimishije. Ariko turacyize mubihe nkibi, kandi ntabwo nabaye imyumvire ya Marmalade. Nari mpangayikishijwe n'imiterere yanjye kandi nari mfite igihe kirekire mu bwoba. Kubwibyo, ikintu cyose kireba ubuzima bwumuntu cyimukiye muri gahunda ya gatatu, ya kane.
- Kandi nigute washakaga gukina na Anna mu "guhiga umuririmbyi", intwari zawe zihuza he?
- Twahuye neza mubisanzwe, tumenyeshwa kandi dukora. Bombi basobanukiwe ko amarangamutima yagiye. Ubu sinavugana, ariko nta myifatire mibi kuri we, ntekereza ko nawe ampaye.
"Nari niteguye kugaragara kwa SASHA. Twagize chimie, twajugunye mu mezi atatu cyangwa ane. Kandi twatangiye kubaka umubano"
Ifoto: Vladimir myshkin
- Warashe icyarimwe mumishinga ibiri, muri Rostov na Svetice. Njye mbona, mu "umuririmbyi" wakinnye filigree gusa, ufite amarangi nk'iyi kandi cyane ...
- Urakoze. Narebye amashusho amwe mumuririmbyi ", kandi mfite imyumvire ko ari akazi keza. (Kumwenyura.) Gusa naretse njye ubwanjye. Hagati y'imihindo, "Nshya ya Cherksov" yatangiye. Kandi mugihe runaka hari imishinga itatu icyarimwe. Ariko ngaho numvaga nizeye. Birashoboka ko yamfashije umuntu kuva hejuru. Mfite iki gihe cyose igice, nko mu nzozi.
- Kandi igihe ubwoba bwaburiwe bwaburiwemo? Kandi, nukuvuga, abaganga bakwemereye kurasa vuba?
- Nabonye umuganga mwiza mu kigo cya Bakulev-Scom, wavuze ko atari ngombwa kugira ngo utinya ikintu icyo ari cyo cyose, ariko ugomba kuririmba, ukine, gukunda ikirere, abantu, ubuzima. Ariko byari ngombwa ko ubwanjye ndabifata numva. Nubwo yafashaga n'ibitekerezo bye byemewe. Nakurikiranyweho kandi nagenzurwaga n'andi mezi atandatu, kandi ni uwuhe muganga watangaje ko mfite ubuzima bwiza. Byabaye byoroshye, ariko ubwoba ntibucyashize. Nabwirijwe gukorana na psychotherapiste, ariko nzavuga ukuri, reka ngende mumwaka umwe gusa. Nategereje neza umubare. Ariko Sasha yamaze kugaragara (Umukinnyi Alexander Bogdanova. - Hafi.), Na we ati: "Nta kintu kibaho. Ugomba kubaho uyu munsi nkuko bisanzwe. " Bukeye bwaho ndabyuka, kandi nari nsanzwe ntangarugero ngo tujye kure.
- Wavuze ko biteye ubwoba nyuma yo gusuzuma atari ikimenyekana. Kandi kuri njye mbona ko buri gihe ari byiza kumenya byose. Niba udashobora guhindura ikintu cyose, nibyiza kwiringira ibyiza ...
- Oya, Ndi ku kuri. Ariko rero natangiye gutekereza nigihe vuba aha. Kugira ngo ubone ubwisanzure n'ibyishimo, birakenewe ku rugero runaka kugirango ube umupfanite na pofigist, ariko mugihe kimwe ntiruryozwa. Iyo dufashe ubwoba, ureka kugira ubwoba, bityo turashobora kurokoka byose. Ariko kugirango ugere kuri leta nkiyi, ugomba gukora umurimo muremure wimbere. Ndacyari mu ntangiriro. Ariko buri gihe nkora ibyo nshaka, kandi rwose nzabigeraho. Iyo uhagaritse kugira ubwoba, urashobora korohereza, kandi niba uri umucyo kandi byoroshye, urashobora kukureba. Ububabare mumaso ntabwo bibangamira. Umuntu wavutse afite ububabare, kandi ibi ni ibyarahiye ubuzima bwe.
- Wigeze ugira ubwoba, mu buryo butunguranye hari ikintu kidakora mu mwuga?
- Oya, nzabona aho ugomba kwishyira mubikorwa. Igihe nagabanije ikiyiko cyo gukira, nagize gutekereza nti: "Cyangwa ahari iri ngipuke zose - kuri nyina w'abavumbuwe? Ahari ibiyiko bitandukanye bya Stylish birakora? " (Kumwenyura.) Nabanje kuva kuruhande rwa guhanga kuri byose, hanyuma nkuraho amafaranga kuri Maxi-mu.
- Muri icyo gihe, igihe Sasha yagaragaye, ntiwari kugenwa mu nkuru z'urukundo?
"Hanyuma nari mpangayitse cyangwa umaze kuba shruga, cyangwa ikintu cyiza kizagaragara kandi kimuvuguruye." Nari niteguye kugaragara kwa SASHA. Twari dufite reaction yimiti, yabangamiwe muburyo busanzwe nyuma y'amezi atatu cyangwa ane, hanyuma dutangira kubaka umubano.
- Na Sasha, wahuye no kurasa "Rostov". Wabaye abashakanye kuruta uko yagufashe?
- Oya, ntitwabujije muri kadamu. Ubwa mbere, nabonye umukinnyi mwiza numukobwa mwiza. Muri ako kanya, nari nkiri mu gice cy'intege nke. (Aramwenyura.) Ariko nyuma amenye ko uyu ariwo mugore mwiza kwisi.
- Uratekereza ko icyifuzo cyiza kigomba kurenga hanyuma urukundo kizagaragara?
- Nukuri! Urukundo ni amahitamo. Kandi ntidukunda gukora mubucuti. Chimie yaranyuze, urukundo, birasa natwe: "Nibyo, byose." Kandi mubyukuri, urukundo nikintu gishimishije gitangira. Bitewe nibyo abantu bashobora kubana nabo? Bitewe nuko bubaha. Ntushobora kuzamuka ahantu h'ubuntu. Kandi, byumvikane, inyungu rusange ni ngombwa kugirango ugomba kuvugana.
- Julia, uwahoze ari umugore wawe, na Anna akenshi aherekeje kuri seti. Kandi nkuko watuye muri kimwe mubiganiro bya tereviziyo - hamwe na Sasha, nawe, ntabwo byari bitandukanye muri iyi myaka ibiri. Ntutekereza ko kuva izo nkuru zirangiye, birakwiye guhindura iyi myitozo?
- Nukuri rwose, kandi ubu turimo gutaka nkana icyitegererezo cyubatswe. Nasobanukiwe ikosa rinini - twabayeho hagati yabo, ntabwo ari byinshi byo kubura.
"Njye mu bitaro hafi yanje, kandi Anna yari afite imbaraga nyinshi muri njye. Ariko amarangamutima gusa ntiyagishoboye kwihanganira iyi nama zose"
Ifoto: Vladimir myshkin
- Wavuze ko mubucuti ufite abantu bafite imico. Noneho urashobora kwigurira urukundo?
- Umubano urashobora gushingira gusa kwizera, kandi bibaho mugihe usobanura ikintu cya kirazira wenyine. Nagaragaje ko isukari yanjye yifuza, yari iyanjye, ntitugarukira kuri wewe, byahisemo imyitwarire runaka gutuza, harimo no gukuramo umutima uwo ariwo wose. Icyizere nikintu cyoroshye cyane, kigomba kuba gikwiye. Nibyo, ndabona ubwiza bwumugore kandi buri gihe yumva niba umuntu ankunda. Ibi birahagije kuri njye, ibi bimaze gutsinda imbere. Ndashobora gutinza imipaka yumubano kumyaka yanjye, kandi ndabikunda.
"Kuki muri rusange wabiganiriyeho na gato, guhamagarwa kwagaragaye cyangwa ngo tekereza intambwe eshanu zo gutera imbere?"
- Oya, nta guhamagarwa, nashakaga gusa kumenya uburyo bwo kutatakaza ibishya by'umubano. Kandi, uko mbibona, twaratsinze.
"Mu biganiro byacu kera, wavuze uti:" Ubu ndimo kwitegura kuba inyeshyamba zimenyereza. " Byari?
- Nizera ko umubano mumuryango ari matriarsiarchy. NIKI? Ibyo ari byo byose, umugore azamujyana. (Kumwenyura.) Urashaka umubano mwiza? Tekereza nkanjye.
- Na Sasha, wahise wasinya vuba. Kandi kuri we, uko mbibona, wahisemo gukora kumubano, usibye Anna, wenda.
- Jye na Sasha, nashakanye nyuma y'umwaka hamwe na gato. Kandi hamwe na anyana ntabwo twagize intego kandi twakoraga. Ariko ubu mfite umwanya utandukanye rwose. Ntekereza ko abantu badakeneye kurongora. Izi kashe yose, ibyo wiyemeje - ibicucu byuzuye.
- Noneho uherutse gushyingirwa ...
- Nashakanye mugwa, none sinkeka ko ari byiza.
- Kubera iki? Nyuma yo kugaragara kwa kashe muri pasiporo, umubano wabaye mubi?
- Oya, tumeze neza. Ntabwo ari bibi, mugihe cya none ntabwo bikenewe rwose, ntiyica, iyi ni ingendo.
- Ababyeyi bamenyereye na SASHA?
- Yamaze igihe kinini amenyereye, twigeze cyangwa kabiri ku kwezi kugirango babasange, baba mu karere ka Leningrad. Noneho muri Crimé Sasha bahuye n'umuhungu wanjye mukuru Arsenia, yari afite imyaka makumyabiri n'itatu. Yaruhukiye kuri nyirakuru. Natwe twamaranye neza cyane, tugenda, twavuganye ubuzima, filozofiya ... Arseny mwiza cyane, yongerewe, yoroheje.
- Ubu urimo gukura imirimo cyangwa ubuzima ubwayo ubu ni ngombwa? Kandi ni iki kigira ibyinshi muri byose?
- Kwiteza imbere. Nasomye ibitabo byinshi kuri psychologiya. Mfite icyifuzo cyo kwikuramo ubusa muri zone ihumure, nababaje abantu. Noneho, niba nshaka gusinzira, ndabyuka kare. Niba nshaka kurya, ndereka uburakari. Niba nshaka kujya mumodoka, njya kumaguru. Niba nshaka kugenda ahantu honyine, njya mubantu. Nishimiye, nk'urugero, tomoro yoroshye ya sasita. (Kumwenyura.) Kandi vuba aha ntiyatekereje ko ifunguro rya nimugoroba rigizwe n'inyanya imwe. Nkuko bitatekereje ko ushobora kugenda kuva parike ya Gorky kuri Arbat.
- Noneho mugihe ushaka koga mu nyanja hanyuma ujye muri Crimée, ntigomba kuzamuka mumazi ufite ubushyuhe wongeyeho makumyabiri na gatanu, ariko utegereze cumi n'umunani ...
- Kubijyanye n'inyanja - Aya ni amahirwe yo kwikuramo akarere keza, ibi ni umunezero, ibyo bintu bito bisaba kubaho. Inyanja igomba kubonwa uko ari, kandi ntabwo yo gushyushya imitsi cyangwa kuzamuka muri pisine. Hariho iminsi ibiri yumuyaga, amazi yarakonje, ariko naguzwe.
"Ubu ndimo noroheje kwitwara kuri buri kintu, kandi ku rubyiruko rwababajwe. Burigihe hariho kwibeshya ushobora kuva mubibazo byinzoga"
Ifoto: Vladimir myshkin
- Nyuma yo gusuzuma ubuzima, urumva ko utanyuzwe mu mwuga cyangwa ubundi? Inshingano ufite nziza kandi mumishinga iheruka, ariko ahantu hose urukurikirane rwa bastard dusinziriye. Ndashaka kubihagarika ...
- Yego. Ariko ku rundi ruhande, ubu ngiye ku buvya: "Nzaba inzira ushaka kumbona." Nshobora gukuramo inyungu ntarengwa kuri njye rwose ibikoresho byose. Umuhungu umaze imyaka mirongo ine n'itatu (aseka), inzozi zidasanzwe nimbaho zahindutse kugirango usobanukirwe ukuri gukabije k'ubuzima. Imyitwarire y'ukuri yari umugabo. Ariko ntuzabona umukinnyi winyangamugayo wimyaka yanjye, azavuga ko atabyitayeho. Ukimara kubona muri uyu mwuga uko byagenda kose, ugomba kubireka. Mubisanzwe, ndashaka inshingano zishimishije kandi zitandukanye. Ariko ntabwo ndi muri kiriya gihe kandi sindi mu gusobanukirwa ngo mvume inkokora niba ntazayifite. Uruhare rwiza ruzagaragara, nzashima kandi kurigata kuri ntarengwa, ntibizashimisha cyane - kandi bivuye kuri kilick ntarengwa. (Aseka.) Nshobora kwizirika ku mukoresha, umuyobozi, ndashobora kuba umufatanyabikorwa niba ari ibintu bibi, cyangwa kubintu bimwe na bimwe narose gukina. Ariko nanze ko bitemewe rwose na njye ntabwo bishimishije.
- Renome yumugabo wawe ntabwo ibabazwa niba udashaka umwanya mugihe runaka, ntabwo uri wenyine? Kandi birashoboka ko ukeneye amafaranga kubera inzozi zidashoboka: Dacha, inzu?
Ati: "Turatekereza ko nasaze kubyerekeye amazu, ku mazu, ibijyanye n'ibidendezi byo koga, ubuzima bwiza tudashobora kugura." Ariko nzi neza ko iyo wohereje ibimenyetso nyabyo, noneho ibintu byose bizabaho. Kandi akazi kazagaragara ko ubishaka. Noneho tubaho kuri make, dusimbuye amahoteri yubahwa yandi icumbi mubiruhuko, turabyemera.
- na bagenzi bawe benshi, cyane cyane bato, bacunga gusa gusubika amafaranga, ahubwo bagura vuba amagorofa i Moscou, bona ikintu cyose ...
- Basobanukiwe nibyo basenze, barasohoka. Nanjye, kubera ko ndi umuswa, nta kwishyiriraho, natekereje ku rubyiruko ko nzakora igihe kirekire, buri gihe. (Aseka.) Kandi sinigeze mpindura ikintu na kimwe. Ntekereza ko ikimara kwishyiriraho kuzavuka, ako kanya kandi uhagarike gukora.
- Hamwe nibi byose, uri umuntu utekereza cyane. Mugihe cyo gushidikanya muri wewe ubwawe hamwe nimpano zabo, waba warabaswe ninzoga?
- Nagize uruhererekane rwo kunanirwa mu mwuga. Iyo wohereje ibikoresho, uramukunda, ndetse ukagusubiramo igihe runaka, uratekereza, kandi ukunda undi mukinnyi, biragoye. Ubu ndimo byoroshye kwitwara kuri byose, kandi ubuto bwanjye bwari butuka amarira. Hanyuma icupa ryagaragaye. Buri gihe hariho kwibeshya ushobora kuva mubibazo hamwe ninzoga cyangwa izindi miti ikomeye, ikintu cyose gihindura imiti yubwonko. Abasore benshi batanga amakosa nkaya, bizere ko bishoboka koroshya uburambe, ariko, nkitegeko, ibintu byose bikabije kumunsi ukurikira. Noneho ngiye kumenya guhangana niyi leta. Iyo numva meze nabi, nshobora koga, gutwara igare, kwiruka, kugenda ... kwimura ... kwimura imyanda iyo ari yo yose asunika imyanda. By the way, kandi mugihe cyo gukira, igihe nagize ubwoba, nakomeje kubabara umutwe, mpindukiye, numvise ibirometero kandi numvise kilometero cumi n'eshanu kumunsi. Ikintu cyingenzi, nasanze nticyaba ibyanjye, kandi njye nanjye ntarijya muri njye. Sinigeze sinari "sterile." "Sterile" ni abatanywa na gato, ntibanywa itabi. Sinzi impamvu bibaho, ariko bararambiranye kandi badakunzwe. Kandi duhora dushishikajwe nabantu bafite ububabare mumaso yabo. Ububabare bwinshi, uko birushaho gutsinda cyane.
Ati: "Ariko wigeze uvuga ko inzoga zabaye ingaruka zo kubura urukundo." Birabyerekeranye no kumenyekana?
- Umuntu wese afite urwego rwimbere rwurukundo rukeneye. Mfite nini cyane, ntabwo rero nzigera mpagarara. Buri gihe nifuzaga kumenyekana, kandi iki nikintu gikomeye cyane. Rimwe na rimwe, birakenewe kumarana ubuzima kugirango umuntu, wenda numuntu umwe avuwe. Kuki "inyenyeri" zikaze igice cyumwaka, umwaka, hanyuma zirazimira? Kuberako ibyo bakeneye kuri ibi ari bito. Babona, ku bipimo byabo, byuzuye amashyi, icyamamare, amafaranga, hanyuma wuzuze imbere yinzitizi zidashobora, kuko nta cyirimyi.
"Nashakanye naguye, ariko ubu sinkeka ko byari byiza. Aya mashanyarazi yose, inshingano zemewe - ubusa!"
Ifoto: Vladimir myshkin
- Urashobora kuvuga byibuze igice kimwe cyo kumenyekana?
- Ntabwo nibuka ibihe nkibi, kuko bimaze gukora imbere ya lokomototive. Kandi birashoboka ko batari. (Aseka.) Ariko namaze kubyumva kumunyeshuri ko mfite amahirwe. Muri byose. Kandi ndashimira ubwo ni imbaraga zimwe zo mwijuru, imbaraga, ntabwo ntinya kubivuga. Nabajije byinshi mbona byinshi. Aya mahirwe ntabwo yihuta hejuru yinyuma, ariko mubyukuri hari ikintu cyagendaga mumaboko, ariko mubintu uzagutwara.
- Uravuga hypothetike cyangwa hari ingero iyo zatwaye mubintu biteye ubwoba cyangwa bibi?
- Yego, ejobundi twagendeye hano muri Crimée. Kandi bahisemo mbere kuruhande rumwe rwumuhanda ujya ahandi - nashakaga byinshi. Tugenda kure, kandi gitunguranye aho twanyuzemo, imodoka yaguye mu nkingi. Ndavuga Sasha: "Ariko byabaye ngombwa ko tujya ku ruhande rumwe." Nahise mpahe aho, imodoka irahindagurika, kandi abagabo biruka batangiye kugaruka mubihe bisanzwe, bakuramo umwana wamabere, umugore numugabo mubitekerezo. Imana ishimwe, abantu bose bakomeje kubaho. Ariko byari biteye ubwoba. Ntabwo biva kubyo nabonye, ariko kubera ko nanjye ubwanjye twirinze ubwanjye. Nibyo mpamagaye amahirwe. Cyangwa gutekereza mu mutwe: "Ndashaka gukina mu ishusho itangaje," kandi hano iragwa. Cyangwa ndatekereza ko byaba byiza ukina maniac (aseka), rimwe - hamwe nicyumweru - icyifuzo.
- Kandi ni iki, mukitekerezo cyawe, uyumunsi abantu bashaka kureba?
- Ibihe bya hyperealsm byarashize. Abantu barambura ikintu cyiza, cyubuzima. Mbere, amashusho asa yashoboye kurasa. Uribuka udushya twiza kuri kiriya gihe film "urukundo rwerekeye abakunzi" Andrei Konchalovsky, nka Evgeny Mandinov hamwe na Korenuva ya Elena ibaho mugice cya mbere? Ubu ni umudendezo wuzuye - uburyo bwo kohereza ibyiyumvo. Ibi ni umunezero, usuka muburyo bwera. Nicyo kintu nkicyo wifuza kunkina.