Khalidwe la ku Siberia ndi lingaliro losiyana ngati moyo waku Russia. Ndizotheka, popanduka kwake, kupanikizika mwapadera, nzeru zakuya komanso kusamvanso zachilengedwe. Victor Khoriyak - mbadwa za gawo la krasnoyarsk - mtunda wochokera ku likulu latha modabwitsa. Masiku ano, nyenyezi ya "khitchini", "Eston Hotel" ndi "Wachinyamata Wakuti" Mayendedwe A "Chikondi ndi Mawonedwe a TV. Koma iyemwini sanakhutire ndi zomwe adakwaniritsa ndikudziwonetsera yekha pazinthu zachiwiri. Wopangayo adauza magazini ".
"Victor, mwandikonzera chidwi zaka zingapo zapitazo, osati pa siteji, koma mu pulogalamuyi Verim Vernik, komwe adakuwonetsani zokongola. Kodi mumachitabe izi?
- Inde, ndinaphunzitsa agogo akhungu azaka zisanu. Kwambiri, ndiyenera kunena zotupa. Ali mwana, ndimalumikiza otsekesera zazing'ono kumaso za amayi omwe amayi adachita, ndipo tsopano ndimasintha nthawi ndi nthawi. Osabisala ulusi ndikulankhula ndi ngodya yakutali. (Akumwetulira.)
- Ndi chinthu chiti chomwe mudapanga?
- Nayi chikumbutso cha Oleg Pavlovich Tabakov zaka zitatu zapitazo, ndidampatsa monga fan, mpango "wofiirira", wopangidwa ndi manja ake.
- Nthawi zambiri ana azaka zisanu ndi chimodzi samakhala opanda nkhawa, ndipo inu, zimakhala, zinali zolimbikitsidwa, nthawi ina idaperekedwa ndi singano yothandizira ...
- Ndinkasunthanso. Koma kodi zili kwa zaka zisanu - kodi ndi mwana ?! Pazaka zisanu ndi chimodzi ndavomera kale ku chisankho chodalirika chomwe muyenera kuponyera kindergargen, komwe zomwe mukufuna kuti muphunzire kuyambira nthawi imeneyo, ndikupita kusukulu komwe mkulu vyachev anali kukwaniritsidwa nthawi zonse. Ndinkakonda kusokoneza chinthucho ndi mbiri yofunika, chifukwa chake ndidalowa mdera lachiwiri la maphunziro chaka chatha.
- Wotambasuka, zikutanthauza kuti ukukula msanga?
- Osati popanda Iwo. Ndiphatikizira m'bale wamkuluyo ndi mlongo wamkulu mlongo Vera, ndipo ndakopeka pambuyo pawo. Uku ndiye kukhumba kwachilengedwe kwa achichepere - kumawoneka ngati anzeru.
Kuwona munthu wamsewu mu mawonekedwe, ngwazi yathu idalowa ku Noriilk Cadet Corps
Chithunzi: Chuma Chachinsinsi cha KhorinyAk
- Munayenera kukula ziweto m'banjamo ...
- Inde, ndimangokhalira kukondana ndipo ndimakhala wokangalika, osakhazikika, ndimakonda kusakaniza, Patrowad, amasangalatsa abale onse ndi omwe amadziwana. Ndinapeza anthu onse. Tiyerekeze kuti agogo akamapita kwa mano ndipo adapita naye, kenako ndidakonza konsati lenileni ndi mavesi ndi nyimbo zomwe zili pamzere. Ndangokhala ndi chisoni ndi anthu, poopa kudikirira kuyitanidwa ku ofesi, ndipo ndimafuna kuwasangalatsa.
- Kodi mwafunikira chidwi kwambiri?
- Ayi, ndinali ndimangokwanira ndekha ndi chidwi. M'malo mwake, ndinamumvera chisoni odwala ndipo ndinayesera kusokoneza, kukhazikitsa malingaliro abwino. Ntchito yokhala pakati pa chilengedwe, sindinadziyike ndekha.
- Kodi? Mu imodzi mwa zokambirana, munanena kuti nthawi zonse amayesetsa kuti ayesere ndi munthu wina, chifukwa nthawi zonse amakhala pa ntchito yachiwiri ndipo ngakhale atsikana ali ndi zaka zaubwana wake omwe mumakonda,
- moona inde. Ndipo pakadali pano mphindi ilipo. Malingaliro anga, mu psychology amatchedwa Loonal syndrome - munthu akakhala kuti amakhala wachiwiri komanso amakhala ndi moyo wamtunduwu. Komanso, kuwonetsera zenizeni zenizeni - zomwe zingapambane, pali anthu padziko lapansi omwe ali ofanana. Popanda kutchula kwina, popanda oyera, kaduka wabwino suchoka. Osanena kuti: "Mwachita bwino!", Ngakhale mutayenera.
- Ndi mikhalidwe iti yomwe mumakuthandizani ku cholinga chomwe chili ndi chilimbikitso?
- Khazikikani. Nthawi zina kwambiri. Khalidwe ili mwa anthu kudzikuza limatchedwa, ndipo zimachitika mosayenera. Ndimayesetsa kumusokoneza, ndikuyang'aniridwa.
- Zonse ndichifukwa ndinu ofiira ...
"Ndine wofiyira, komanso wofiyira, kutembenukira m'chilimwe chokha, ma freckles ochulukirapo amawoneka."
- Mumalimbikitsa kaduka kwa kaduka kwa munthu wina?
- Sikuti kwa ine, koma iye ali mwa ine. Pitani chimodzimodzi mtsogolo kwa ine kukakamiza kumverera chikondi, chisangalalo ...
- Kodi ndinu munthu wokhazikika kapena wachikondi?
- ndipo wina samasiyira mnzake. Ine ndinali bungwe, wolangidwa, koma kuthekera kogwedeza kwa mzimu, kuthekera kokondana, osatinso anyamata kapena akazi, komanso ndi maudindo, muzosangalatsa - kwa umunthu wa kulenga umunthu. Popanda izi, sizingapite.
Wochita ndi amayi, Olga Antonovna Warnyok
Chithunzi: Chuma Chachinsinsi cha KhorinyAk
- Nthawi khumi, mwauza makolo za chisankho chachiwiri - kuti muphunzire ku Norsat Cadet Corps. Manila mumangokhala mawonekedwe ...
"Inde, zonsezi zidayambanso kwambiri - ndidawona munthu mu mawonekedwe a cadet mumsewu ndikumvetsetsa komwe ndikufunika kupita.
- Mnyamata wakunyumba adalowa mu Master ndi agogo?
- Makatoni a Cadet makamaka bungwe la maphunziro, osati ankhondo. Tinkakhala m'gulu lonselo, ndikudya malo odyera, operekera zakudya omwe amatitcha "njonda za ma Cadets." Ndipo maphunziro pa sayansi yoyenera komanso yothandiza anthu ambiri kuposa gulu lankhondo. Ndipo ndinaphunzira mosangalala.
- Ndikudziwa kuti muli ndi mutu, ndipo anyamata ena sakonda ...
"Sizinali kuyesetsa utsogoleri, koma ine ndinasankhidwa kukhala woyang'anira kampaniyo, ndinali ndi anthu zana limodzi mwakugonjera kuposa, mwachilengedwe, adasokoneza. Ana ndi ankhalde, makamaka mu hostel, pomwe palibe kuthekera kuthawira kunyumba usiku, kudandaula kwa makolo, abwenzi, tengani munthu kumoto. Zachidziwikire, panali ndewu, ndipo ndinandimenya, ndipo ndimamenya ... zinthu zotere zimachitika pabwalo lililonse. Koma ndinakulira ndipo ndinapangidwa kuti ndikadzipatula, motero ndinaphunzira momwe ndingakhalire panjana ndi mavuto anga ndikuyankha mawu anga kale kuposa anyamata wamba. Ndipo mu lingaliro lapakhomo lomwe limatulutsa - zosemphana ndi zosemphana ndi zodzaza ndi bedi, chotsani kumbuyo kwake, tsatirani mawonekedwe anu a net. Kuti munthu akhale watsopano ndikofunikira kwambiri. Ndidatenga nawo mbali pamipikisano yonse: pa chess, kusambira, basketball, Yuronball, tebuloni, m'mipikisano ya owerenga. Adafunidwa kukhala woyamba kukhala woyamba, popeza wopambanayo adalandira mphoto yapadera, ndipo mosakayikira izi zidawonjezera ulemu wa madera athu a Cadet kuderali komanso pamlingo wa Russia.
- Ndipo ndiwe wotchera ...
- Chifukwa chake kuwonetsa chikondi changa pa malo omwe adaphunzira.
- Ndikofunika kuzindikira kuti muli ndi makolo anzeru kwambiri, sanakakamize malingaliro anu kwa inu, kuloledwa kupita nokha ...
- Onse a Rigor anali ndi ana okalamba, ndipo ndi ine omwe amawaganizira zolakwa zakale komanso ufulu wochepa kwambiri. Inenso ndinasankha ma mugs: Pazaka zisanu ndi chimodzi ndinapita ku Yuro, nthawi khumi pabokosi, khumi ndi zinayi ndi basketball. Masewera adachita mwaluso mwaukadaulo, kukhala ndi mutu, zopambana. Koma tsopano ndikuthandizira fomu yokha m'chipinda cholimbitsa thupi, ndimasambira mu dziwe, ndipo makamaka timalipira kuti tipeze zotsatira za zotsatira zonse kumeneko.
- Kungolowa koyambirira kwa moyo wachikulire zomwe mandimu ndi zabwino zimakhala ndi?
- zikuwonekeratu. Ubwana - Wosangalala kwambiri, wopanda pake, wa nthawi yake - umakhazikika kwambiri, ndipo izi ndizopepuka. Ndipo mwayi ndiwo kuti mufikire moyo wanu, muli ndi nthawi, ndipo makolo ayamba kukukondani kwambiri. Kwenikweni, ndimakondwera ndi momwe zonse zikuchitika, ndipo sindidandaula kuti kwatsala mphindi, ola, tsiku ...
Mu filimu ya filimu ya filimu, womaliza womaliza "wa Victor
- Pamene mwana wanu wamwamuna wazaka zisanu akukulirakulira, inunso simumupatulanso kuti mwina aphunzire ku Combet Corps?
"Ndimupatsa njira iyi, kenako ndimulole."
- Kodi muli ndi dongosolo lanu lokhazikika?
- Sindikuganiza kuti ana amafunika kudzutsa. Chilichonse chimangopangidwa payekha. Ndi mawu abwino bwanji omwe muli nafe mwana, zomwe sizitsatira, iye akadali momwe inunso. Ngati mumacheza nthawi yayitali limodzi, sidzakuonani osati tsiku latsiku ndi tsiku, mukamachita zinthu mogwirizana ndi akazi, kwa amuna, abwenzi, komanso kuchitira umboni momwe mumachitikira Nthawi zovuta, ndipo zindikirani. Chifukwa chake sindipanga lingaliro lililonse - ndidzanditsatira ndekha.
- Ndinu ndani?
- wamba. Palibe chapadera. Osangokhala osakhwima kapena kufewa. Koma nthawi ndi mwana wake ndimayesetsa kugwiritsa ntchito mitundu yosiyanasiyana komanso yopindulitsa.
- Ndikudziwa kuti ndi akazi anu wakale olga, tsopano akatswiri azamankhwala a ana, mudakhala limodzi zaka zisanu ndi zitatu, ndipo adakumana pomwe khumi ndi zisanu ndi chimodzi, ndipo kwanthawi yayitali ndidafunafuna komweko ...
- Inde, tonse ndi a minuyinsk, ndipo ndimasamalira malamulo onse a mtunduwo.
- Kodi zinthu zina zokongola zomwe zidachitika?
- Sindine wachikondi. Pakakhala zinthu zovuta zomwe zimakakamizidwa kuti zitheke kuwonjezera pa omwe akufuna, ndizofunikira kuzichita. Chilichonse ndi payekha payekha, ndipo mtsikana aliyense amafunikira njira yake.
- Kodi mukumva bwanji ndi zomwe akazi amakumana nazo, madontho osokoneza?
- Ndikofunikira kusayang'ana osati zinthu zakunja, koma chifukwa chake, zomwe zimawalimbikitsa, chifukwa cha zoyipa, kotero kuti mulankhule. (Akumwetulira.) Zimathandizira kusunga ubale.
- Masiku ano, zikuwoneka kuti, simuli nokha ...
- osakonda kufalikira pa nkhani ya moyo wamunthu.
- mwanjira inayake inavomereza kuti kaya mumapezeka pamakina a nthawi, ndiye kuti mutha kupita mtsogolo kutali kwambiri kuposa kale. Izi zikusonyeza kuti simukuchita zachipongwe ndipo simumayang'ananso kubwerera?
- M'malo mwake, ndimachita nthawi zambiri. Sindikuchokapo, sinditenga zakale. Zomwe zidapezeka sizituluka m'mutu mwanga, kusanthula zophonya komanso zomwe zimadziwa izi zimapita mtsogolo. Ndipo osadandaula chilichonse. Kwa onse omwe ali kumbuyo, onani momwe ndimakondera. Ngakhale ngati wopanda pake.
Mu ntchito "Eston Hotel" ndi "khitchini ku Paris" Victor adachita chisangalalo chodikirira
- Munakula m'banjamo, kuti, momwe ndikumvera, sanatenge ...
- Osauka kwambiri. Makolo ankagwira ntchito yambiri kuti akule ana atatu a minusansk m'malini anjala. Abambo, Viktor Ivanovich, - Injiniya Wamkati, adagwira ntchito ya moyo wake wonse, ndipo Amayi, Olga Antonoyna, adagwira ntchito yopanga ukadaulo, pa fakitale ya ulima, koma ambiri adakhala Nafe, ngakhale anali ndi nthawi yogwirabe ntchito muofesi ya ma tayila, ndipo walonda, ndi wotsuka. Zinatengedwa kuti chilichonse chizitidyetsa.
- Ndili mwana, mudasokoneza zinthu za m'bale wamkulu, molondola?
- ndi alongo nawonso. Ndili ndi chithunzi chomwe ine, wazaka zitatu, ndimayima pa chovala choluka.
- Tsopano chidwi cha kugula sikunawonekere?
- Ayi, sindimakonda kupita kukagula ndi zolimbitsa thupi. Ndimavala kwambiri pazomwe zimandipatsa. Chifukwa cha chizolowezi. (Akumwetulira.) Kupitilira kumene.
- aites pamkhalidwe, komwe amadziwa momwe angapulumutse, monga lamulo, nawonso ali ndi luso la ndalamazi ndikuchiritsa ndalama mosamala ...
- sizokhudza ine. Ngakhale ine ndine chinthu chotsimikizika, chomwe sichimayenda m'mitambo, koma nthawi yomweyo tronszhira. Ndalama zimabwera kwa ine mosavuta komanso kumira msanga. Scoop siwotha. Mtengo wanga waukulu wa ndalama ndi abale ndi abwenzi. Pankhaniyi sindikuyang'ana zachuma.
- ndi za msewu wapamwamba, nyumbayo pakatikati ya Moscow musalota?
- Ndine munthu chochita, ndipo ndili nacho mu mapulani. Koma posachedwa zidalipira nyumba mkati moyenda kuchokera mht, ndipo ndakhutitsidwa kwathunthu ndi ine.
- Munanena kuti m'miyezi yoyamba mu capital yokhala ndi nyali zowoneka bwino: moyenera mosasunthika posaka adilesi yomwe mukufuna, ndipo miyendoyo idapatsidwa m'malo omwe mukufuna. Pakadali pano, mphatsoyi yasunga?
- Tsopano ife sitimapita kumapazi, ndipo ndimayendetsa panyanjapo, kumathandiza kupewa kupanikizana kwa anthu wamba. (Akumwetulira.) Ndipo pomwepo maluso amenewa adapanga mumzinda wachilendo. Ndinkakondwerera mfundo pamapu ndipo ndinapita kwa iye kudzera m'misewu. Ngakhale atayika ngakhale. Moscow, mwa njira, sindinandiwopatse. Imakonzedwa ndi misala ya misala, popeza nyimbo yanga yamkati imathamanga kwambiri - ilipo pang'onopang'ono ndikupumula m'maloto okha.
- Kodi mukukumbukira nthawi yomwe tidaganiza zopita ku likulu?
"Sindinamvetsetse kuti ndimandidikirira ku Mithessinsk ndi ku Krasnoyabers, ndi Moscow adasamalilidwa bwino. Ngakhale zitakhala zotayirira, komanso mayunisi abwino onse ochokera ku maiko omwe ali mumzinda uno. Nthawi zonse ndimakonda kuphunzira, mbuye chatsopano, motero ndili ndi satifiketi yabwino, motero ndimatha kuchita mayeso, chifukwa ndimatha kuchita mayeso, chifukwa ndi mano, monga ankhondo poyamba. Chifukwa chake, atafika ku Moscow, zolembedwa zoperekedwa ku Yunivesite ya Siechen ndi ku Moscow Lamulo lankhondo la Martial. Koma kulembetsa mwachindunji ku mayunivesite awa kunachitika kumapeto kwa Julayi komanso kumayambiriro kwa Ogasiti, komanso makoleji omwe ine ankakonda kwambiri, kumayambiriro kwa Julayi. Kuphatikiza apo, studio Studio Mcat idapereka mayunivesite ena motero. Popeza sindinathere ku mzindawu mofulumira, ndinachita nawo. Ndipo sanataye. Mapeto ake, ndinalandira dickloma pano.
- Ndinu mwayi kukhala paulendo wa buku la Kozak ndi Dmitry Brusnikna. Kodi mwapeza chiyani kuchokera kwa amisiri anu?
- Roman Efimovich anali munthu wokonda ma ecrentric, ophatikizidwa, akatswiri ofera, unyolo, wadyera kwa iye. Ndipo ine ndinachilandira icho kwathunthu. Ndipo Dmitry Vladimirovich ali ndi vuto losiyana - digiri, kupeza, zomveka, zomveka, komanso zidaphunziranso kwa iye. M'chaka choyamba, ndidazindikira kuti chilichonse sichinali konse monga momwe zimaganiziridwa - ndidagwidwa ndi mtsinje wamisala, ndidaphunzira modzipereka, ndikusowa mwa omvera kuyambira 7 masana, kenako Kupeza ntchito usiku ku malo odyera. Panawona kubangula, kuseri kwa ma chefs, kwa alendo, omwe amapita ku banki yochita nkhumba ndikugwira ntchito yabwino pomwe adawomberedwa mu TV "khitchini".
- Panjira, zimapezeka kuti mukudziwa mtengo. Kupatula apo, kumenya zitsanzo za ntchitoyi, inu, kupeza gulu lokha, popanda wotsogolera, mpaka m'chipindacho, mwamphamvu kwambiri ananena kuti sadzasewera chilichonse chopanda icho, ndi kupuma. Pambuyo pake, nthawi yomweyo mudatenga ...
- Ndikhulupirireni, sizinali zovuta. Kenako ndimaona kuti tsiku, kusamvana kumakhala kopanda chiyembekezo. Poona malingaliro oterowo kwa iye, ndinanena kuti ndine wojambula palibe zojambulajambula zazing'ono kwambiri ndipo muyenera kulemekeza. Zikuwoneka kuti, zinali zokhutiritsa, ndipo zinagwira ntchito. Ponena za mtengo wake, m'malo mwake, ndimayamikira nthawi yanga ndipo sindimagwiritsa ntchito. Izi zikugwiranso ntchito zazing'ono. Ndinachoka ndekha kuti ndisacheze nawo mbali zina zowonjezera, palibe nyumba ya TV ...
- Zaka zisanu ndi ziwiri zapitazo, mudalowa nawo holope wa mht ...
- Kuyesetsa pa izi. Sindinadziwenso maofesi ena omwe nditafika ku Moscow. Kale kuyambira maphunziro achiwiriwo adayambitsidwa. MHT ili ndi mbiri yabwino kwambiri ndipo inali wamkulu wabwino waluso.
Pa zitsanzo mu mndandanda wakuti "khitchini" ochita sewero adakana kusewera popanda wotsogolera
- Mwanjira inayake idakulemekezani ku fodya, kuthekera kwake kopereka komanso kosasangalatsa kwambiri komwe adagwira ntchito ...
- Izi ndi zomwe zili choncho. Oleg Pavlovich adapereka zopereka zopitilira zopitilira muyeso, komanso luso la manejala wochita bwino. Oleg elfremov yotchedwa Tagakov kuti adzithandize yekha pakakhala chaka chimodzi, ndipo adakwanitsa zaka zambiri. Oleg Pavlovich anali wokongola kwambiri, wotsutsa, bambo wokongola. NDALAMA za iye zinali zoyambirira, ngakhale zisudzo zimakhala kunyumba.
- Kodi mwakwaniritsa zoyesa zilizonse?
- Ndilibe malingaliro oterowo. Monga polowera ma pedagogy. Oleg Pavlovich anali ndi koleji yodziwika bwino, komwe anali zaka 6 zapitazo akuitana ana kuti aphunzitse ana, koma ndinakana. Choyamba, zimawoneka ngati koyambirira kwambiri kuti ndizigawana zomwe ndakumana nazo - inemwini ine ndiyenera kuyimirira, kachiwiri, ndizomveka kuganiza za kupanga ndalama, chabwino, ndipo chachitatu, sindikuwona manyaku aphunzitsiwo. Kodi chidzachitike ndi chiyani - onani.
- Ndiye kuti cholinga chanu ndi kukhazikitsa kwanu. Ndidamva kuti mumamukonda Goncarov ndipo ndikufuna kusewera kalankhulidwe ka Russia ndi chisangalalo ...
- Chikondi ichi chinabukanso chifukwa cha Oleg Pavlovich Tabakov. GonCharov ndi wolemba yemwe amawerenga nthawi iliyonse mwanjira yatsopano. Kuphatikiza apo, mawonekedwe a ngwazi ake ali okha. Koma chifukwa cha nkhani zamakono, ndimakonda kubwera mosangalala.
- Mukutenga nawo mbali ziti pano?
- Ndimasewera magwiridwe asanu ndi atatu mu Mht, ndi pa ntchito ya Ivan yopanda nyumba mu "mbuye ndi margarita", mutha kunena, adafunsidwa, kuti mukhale ndi chidaliro kuti ichi ndi changa. (Akumwetulira.) Ndipo ndi cinema nthawiya bata, pambuyo pa riboni womaliza "womaliza. Molongosoka ndendende, malingaliro amabwera, koma ndimakana zolemba zomwe sindimadziwa. Pali ambuye omwe akadakhala kuti ali ndi nyenyezi, ndipo amandiuza poyera kuti sikuti ndi zosatheka kuyitanitsa, chifukwa amadziwika kuti ndi okwiya. Ndine wokwera kwambiri. (Akumwetulira.) Koma kufunitsitsa kusewera ndi kudzipereka kwathunthu ndi kwakukulu.
- Tsopano pali china chake chomwe simukudziwa, ndipo chinayenera kuchotsa kuyang'anira kuyang'anira kumeneku?
"Sindilankhula Chingerezi momasuka ndikuyamba kuphunzira ndi aphunzitsi posachedwa." Chilankhulochi mosakayikira chimafunikira zonse m'moyo ndi chitukuko pantchito.
- Mukufuna kuyesa dzanja lanu kumadzulo?
- Osakhala okonzeka kuthawa mwachinyengo pa nyanja. (Akumwetulira.) Zolinga zanga zimagwira ntchito ku Hollywoood pokhapokha atapita kwa ife.
- Mukuganiza chiyani?
- Russia ili ndi zogwirizana zonse kuti zithetse sinema panyumba kupita kumalo oyenera. Ife ndi sukulu yakale, ndipo anthu ndi apadera, ndipo chida chofunikira kwambiri, ndipo malowa ndiabwino. Chifukwa chake ndizowona kuti akubwera alendo amawona zidendene zathu zowala. Cholinga ichi ndi cha padziko lonse lapansi.
- zoona, ndiwe wankhondo kuti chikachimwe chiani? Zikuwonetsedwa?
- Ndili ndi nkhawa za mutu wa chisokonezo cha chilengedwe. Mwamwayi, motero ndikubweretserani kuti sindidzalola kuti nditaye zongopeka, ndudu, phukusi, kapena zinyalala zilizonse pamsewu. Kokha murget. Ndipo sinditaya mabatire mu zinyalala - timawawonjezera ku bokosi lapadera, lomwe limayima pakhomo la nyumba yathu. Izi ndi zinthu zazing'ono izi zomwe sizingakhale zosowa. Kuyera kwa maubale pakati panu ndikofunikanso. Izi zikugwirizana mwachindunji ndi zachilengedwe.
- Kodi mumasunga kuyera kumeneku mu megalopolis wamkulu, mukulimbana mpikisano?
- Zonse zimatengera kutumiza komweko. Ngati munthu wakonzedwa kuti azitsatira malo ake, sadzachita nawo kanthu kena komveka. Ndipo muyenera kudzitukumula.